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Actually that's exactly how I've described Ms Peel and my other over torque craft, electric rheostat like response for digital traction break and make power connection to the surface. Until the fuel cells get right battery will be short lived.
Once one has power enough to instantly spin at will then horse power determines how fast ya can do that. So similar torque motors are essentially equal up to some speed their horse power runs out. In real life on Peel [in her prime] could match or even beat bigger bikes up to 90/upper 7000's in 2nd. This was in tight quarters with drop off or bluffs so had to re-focus on aim before I topped out to let off to set up next fling. Peel only had power band enough to lift front out of apexes in 1st and 2nd and felt like couple inches at end of 1/2 shifts in straights. My P!! with lowered nose would float level half way through 4th run out. i see the hot shots road racer hot bikes hi torque and horse power take off in both standing and rolling starts and none of them whip the pilots head back while mostly sitting upright. BY GOLLY A real dragster on standing or slow-ish rolling take offs will injure neck by real whiplash if not braced dam well first.

I get to practice or more often try to avoid torque advantage on THE Gravel.
I paid $3000 to Keith Code to see if THE Graveling methods had any relation to pavement to find its exactly the same once you get to loosing grip by lean and power or sharpness of forks. The real wonder was how childs play easy it was compared. Very few racers seem to know exactly when their tires will let go pressing turns. Not me No Sir Ree Bob! I pick my spots and force myself to over do it, time and time again until sense of conditions build up til its like shooting a sling shot reflexly knowing how far to pull it and when to release to impact when and where ya like quick as a blnk. Again long slides are not bike or tire or pilot testing it is load relieving but does take some balls just to go that fast so nailing it turns surface into liquid like skiing.

Three craft I've experienced that could whip lash neck BACKWARDS in turns, tunnel hull race boat, acrobatic military trainer and Ms Peel. I see race Karts can too.
 
hobot said:
Actually that's exactly how I've described Ms Peel and my other over torque craft, electric rheostat like response for digital traction break and make power connection to the surface. Until the fuel cells get right battery will be short lived.
Once one has power enough to instantly spin at will then horse power determines how fast ya can do that. So similar torque motors are essentially equal up to some speed their horse power runs out. In real life on Peel [in her prime] could match or even beat bigger bikes up to 90/upper 7000's in 2nd. This was in tight quarters with drop off or bluffs so had to re-focus on aim before I topped out to let off to set up next fling. Peel only had power band enough to lift front out of apexes in 1st and 2nd and felt like couple inches at end of 1/2 shifts in straights. My P!! with lowered nose would float level half way through 4th run out. i see the hot shots road racer hot bikes hi torque and horse power take off in both standing and rolling starts and none of them whip the pilots head back while mostly sitting upright. BY GOLLY A real dragster on standing or slow-ish rolling take offs will injure neck by real whiplash if not braced dam well first.

I get to practice or more often try to avoid torque advantage on THE Gravel.
I paid $3000 to Keith Code to see if THE Graveling methods had any relation to pavement to find its exactly the same once you get to loosing grip by lean and power or sharpness of forks. The real wonder was how childs play easy it was compared. Very few racers seem to know exactly when their tires will let go pressing turns. Not me No Sir Ree Bob! I pick my spots and force myself to over do it, time and time again until sense of conditions build up til its like shooting a sling shot reflexly knowing how far to pull it and when to release to impact when and where ya like quick as a blnk. Again long slides are not bike or tire or pilot testing it is load relieving but does take some balls just to go that fast so nailing it turns surface into liquid like skiing.

Three craft I've experienced that could whip lash neck BACKWARDS in turns, tunnel hull race boat, acrobatic military trainer and Ms Peel. I see race Karts can too.

Well, rear wheel sliding has been around for a long time, torque induced or otherwise. The real innovation was when Jarno Saarinen started sliding the front tire and was challenging Ago and his MV with a little 350 2-stroke in the 500 class. Torqhue had nothing to do with that. They say his ability to control the front wheel in a slide was due to his experience in ice racing motorcycles.
 
Sidling front is really exciting and I've worked up to doing that on Ninja 900, SV650 and Ms Peel on tarmac and Trixie on THE Gravel. Even if that 350 didn't have power to lift front out of traction so had to slide it only by lean and sharpness its faster funner to do with torque hook up that unloads front to useless in counter steering aiming but can suddenly flick into straight steer if rear is over powering front enough. No worries mate' loosing grip at either end or both at once is part of the various phases of handling I've had to learn to deal with to avoid or enjoy. The fastest way to slow down short of impact is tossing bike fully side ways to use both tire edges for drag.

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montelatici said:
Well, rear wheel sliding has been around for a long time, torque induced or otherwise. The real innovation was when Jarno Saarinen started sliding the front tire and was challenging Ago and his MV with a little 350 2-stroke in the 500 class. Torqhue had nothing to do with that. They say his ability to control the front wheel in a slide was due to his experience in ice racing motorcycles.

Wasn't it said that Graeme Crosby introduced rear wheel sliding/steering into GP racing, from superbikes- can recall an interview where it was quoted that he gave the bike (900 Kawasaki) 'a big heave coming up to a corner, and slid around' - said to take 2 secs off his lap times at that track. Same interview he also quoted he "gave it the big heave, and it gave me the big trowel" (flicked him off, in a big highside). What a character...
 
Called ' Drifting ' as practised by P.W . , two wheel drift as opposed to 4 wheel drift in automobiles . Any Country Bumpkin knows this , if theyve got suspension .

You might argue , This Ones DRIFTING . ( Not acctually aiming to run across that Golf Ball on the Infield :( )

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Where this swines all crossed up , about to come off :P :lol: , or POWERSLIDEING . as the Wheels Aint LINEDUP , cept the fronts pointing vaugely where he hopes to end up.

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Crosby Was more the Powerslider / understeerer into Corners . Was a few ' Oh Dears ' from the old salts when he punted the odd bloke cocking it up . Then the chassis
were a bit off . :P :mrgreen:

" people often wont believe me when I say i could go into a corner on the monocoque, lay it on its side , get both wheels drifting , then put on the power and keep it in a controlled two wheeled drift round any corner FASTER than Druids Bend at Brands Hatch . " P.W.

" ' in the F-750 T.T. at a record speed of 105.47 mph , setting a new lap record at 107 . 27 mph to become the second fastest :( man EVER around the T.T. course " .

This success was captured forever by a B.B.C. Documentary team ( OK hand it Over :D )

Starts to make one think that the claims of ' inferior ' twins , ' obsolette ' and ' archaic ' were just hogwash . Regarding ( Each ) gear ratio as a ' Speed Range ' ,
the Advent of the SIX speeds in the 74 TR 750s would be as much a part of there ' superiority ' as the purported ( Greatly ??? ) superior power . Bugger .

" Williams demonstrated the truth of the claim at Silverstone in August 1973 in the F750 World Series.
grabbing a improbable ( :? ) lead against the factory two strokes, includeing the Suzukis of Barry shenneand Paul smart,
and yvon Duhamel's Kawaski triple,
visably attacked top gear turnslike Abbey and Woodcote in masterfull @-wheel drifts aboard the underpowered ( ? :? * ) Norton as he pulled away to score
what seemed to be a fairy tale victory. BUT Cruley ( Mechanics downt pub ? )after he'd equalled Jarno saannen's outright Circuit Lap Record "

RAN OUT OF BLOODY GAS > :( Dimwitts . or was it a electrical fault . conrod through wireing loom . :shock: .

1910 , ER , 2010 and theyre STILL refering to them as UNDERPOWERED , when Q mile Times match ring dings etc , cheap oriental trash , with the home made british rubbish .
glareing at the road test collection Again last night , The discripive presumptions that it was past its day were there before they built the bloody thing ( Commando ) ALONG
with big words like ' Sophisticated ' & ' Electric Starter ' .
 
HOW someone can call this piece of Stamped tin trash with a Gutter Bolt through the Front ( CB 750 Honda ) a Swing Arm is beyond me . Have a look at one , in person theyre worse

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Look twice as spindley .seems someone had a stamping machine and lots of Sheet Metal . :?

Had a Avid guttless CB 750 / 810 cookoo try and tell me Triumph ( Bloor 0 had gone to Japan to learn how to make better motorcycles .
Told Him " NO , He'd Gone There to learn how to make them CHEAP . "

seemed to put him off the thing. Used to have him on we'd cut the back of the mufflers off , full it up with methanol and see what it'd do on the Motorway , just over the way .
:twisted: :roll: :wink: :lol: :( A Cruel Mean Man . :mrgreen: ( Damn Hondas . UGH . Cheap and nasty , why probly damn pinko commie subversives , they all look the same .

Chinese Joke " All these White Men Look the Same " :o
 
Yoose guys just don't get it, long slides and drifts are show boating in luxury tracks with very wide run out spaces, it ain't how to use torque power to win a race.

Here's how most the world see's as a good torque and sliding advantage example a Harley XR750 flat tracker you can hear his timid throttle use and taking the long wide lazy way around counter steering. Pashaw none those lines appeals at all on 3 link Peel for the G's she invites me not doing this way.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KyCdthuV0s&feature=related[/video]

This is how torque should be used to straight steer into turns besides just pulling out into straights harder. These are one of the few craft I get something useful out of watching, ice spiked speedway racers. Peel allowed doing this on tarmac, much to my own amazement, whether or not ya care what ya missing out on in further extensions of self steering on torque.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASAg7HWDsTI[/video]

Note the forks and care not to give too much torque or lift front, but there's a way around this if traction enough laid full over.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePgDP7hKlWg&feature=related[/video]
 
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