Quite the collection

beng said:
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Errrr, you had to register, so you could get UNregistered with such a nice friendly attitude. Why don't you show what YOU have done so far, I mean as far as British bikes are concerned, not only stirring the pot.

Jean
 
Jeandr said:
I would much rather see a rich guy like for example Jay Leno buying, restoring and using old bikes than seeing him squandering his money on coke, booze, gambling and whores :!: Jean
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I would rather see them spend their time and money on drugs gambling and whores instead of turning old motorcycles into "trading cards" and a commodity and driving the prices of them up out of the reach of the average citizen.

Whenever there is something the common man has sincere and real fun with, as soon as bored millionaire's and "businessmen" latch onto it and use it to fill their empty lives and souls they take it away from those who have a real history or connection to that thing that is contemporary with it.

That is why now a common man has to be very lucky to own most pre-eighties classics, and he can forget ever owning or riding many of them. I know old racers and riders that would not mind having an old Goldstar etc. sitting around or to take for rides, well too bad for them, they are no longer motorcycles anymore, they have been converted to currency and ego-filler for those with more cash than heart.

And Grandpaul, businessman, you DO have a reputation to maintain, it is called Pandering. You are a salesman and nothing you have to say has any more meaning than any other commercial on network television.

For each classic marque there is a millionaire or businessman that has taken it and purposely turned it into a commodity for the sake of profit. Is that something you do to something you love? Your family? Then why anything else? Oh, you love money, well there you go then.

John Steel in Ohio turned xr750 racers into a business, Herb Harris turned Vincent motorcycles into a business, the list is endless, and so is the list of bikes that can not be enjoyed by most who would like to, they have been turned into toys for and by the top 2% of our population.....

All I am doing is pointing out the fact that when people who's lives revolve around money get involved with something, they change it and it is never for the better, it is for themselves.....
 
So let me get this straight....

wealthy people are hoarding old motorcycles, driving up prices, and preventing everyday slobs (like me?) from owning one (but I do, and ride it too)

Furthermore, mild-mannered Paul Z (a.k.a. Darth Vader) is the dark force behind this global crisis, taking over the minds of of these fat cats, so one day, all the old roadsters on earth will be under his control, enabling him to somehow rule the world. Then and only then he will be satisfied.

Now I get it. Kinda scary. Paul, I mean Mr. Vader Sir; gimmie a nice, late model Ducati and my Commando will be yours to join your evil empire of...whatever it is.

Cheers,

Don
 
I do what I do because I love old bikes, like to help others however I can with old bikes, and am blessed to be debt-free.

I'm certainly not cornering any markets.

I'm not driving any prices up, believe me on that!

If I had a mortgage to pay, I'd HAVE to be doing something else 9 to 5, because I'm certainly not earning a living wage at this. We live in an older modular home and drive 10-year old vehicles.

There are a couple of dozen people on a half dozen forums that will vouch for free parts when they were needed, or happily sold at thier dirt-cheap asking price because they appreciate them as much as I do.

If anyone sees me as an evil, greedy businessman, you sure picked a lousy example.

As for my free advice, well, everone knows how much THAT is worth!
 
Cripes beng, you sound like one of them R soles who fly planes into tall buildings. GP is one of the many forum members who make great contributions to this site and help make it for what it is "BRILLIANT"!! There's more than one on here that makes money out of motorcycles in one form or another if you hadnt noticed. All these are more than willing to share their accumulated knowledge from years of experience and make the web worthy! The kind of help you need you wont find on this forum, anger and jealousy management is found elsewhere! Good Luck :roll:
Foxy
 
I envy grandpaul. And hope to someday be able to do what I enjoy and not worry too mugh about money. I have gotten advice from him many times, and seen his genorocity time after time. Everyone has an idea of their own on what something should cost to buy and to sell. I have experienced many times of asking for a pie in the sky price and getting it. The thing is if you don't like the price. don't buy it.
 
You know he is probably sitting back laughing because he succeeded in getting a rise out of a few people again. His type thrive on negative behavior. Ignore him and his visits will become few and far between, eventually fading away and never being missed.
 
beng said:
Jeandr said:
John Steel in Ohio turned xr750 racers into a business, Herb Harris turned Vincent motorcycles into a business, the list is endless, and so is the list of bikes that can not be enjoyed by most who would like to, they have been turned into toys for and by the top 2% of our population.....

All I am doing is pointing out the fact that when people who's lives revolve around money get involved with something, they change it and it is never for the better, it is for themselves.....
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You sound like one of those left wing liberals.
Evil businessmen.....
 
In the most simple terms, all I have been trying to say is that if there is or has been any damage to do or anyone to be wary of in the world of classic motorcycling, it has been those who have mixed it up with money. That is common sense.
 
You sound like one of those left wing liberals.
Evil businessmen.....[/quote]

You know, starting political rhetoric on this forum will make it a very unattractive place for the enthusiasts here, you should keep this sort of thing to yourself or take it somewhere that is more appropriate...
 
Motorcycle collections have been around for a long time. And most who have collections have a reasonable amount of disposable income. That is not a bad thing.

Most very keen enthisiasts have more than one of their favorite marque or model: I have been around Ducati singles, RC30s and Yamaha TZs and most who own them own more than one. They are not trying to corner the market or get rich by hoarding them, they are true enthusiasts.

Prices rise, some may be able to realize a profit now and then, but getting rich on old bikes, I've never seen it...

Derek
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I don't know Jamie Waters, but he has amassed a nice collection of bikes and appears to have used his own resources to acquire, restore and in some cases recreate historic models that might otherwise remain lost to us enthusiasts, he participates in classic events, giving members of the public a chance to see and hear these wonderful examples of Norton's racing heritage and is happy to share photographs and knowledge with other enthusiasts via his website. My thanks go out to him, he is demonstrably not someone secretly salting away the world's supply of rare bikes and even if he was, in a free society we would be hard pressed to make a case against this without also getting into the sticky area of civil-liberties. How many Nortons should we be allowed to have? I have 5 amongst my collection whereas my 1 billion cousins just across the Shing Mun River have none at all. Am I morally obliged to send 4 up to Beijing to try to redress this imbalance? I hope Jamie keeps doing what he is doing, by keeping people like Norman White in employment he is helping to sustain a resource that is available to any Norton enthusiast who wishes to avail himself of these services.
 
I suppose this twisted logic, if extrapolated, means that we must all GIVE bikes, parts and services away from now on, otherwise we are impure.

Oh, the humanity of it.
 
Okie-dokie.

Go ahead and hold your breath, it'll make the time pass more quickly.
 
I for one would like to thank you Grandpaul for your "Impure" ways have been of help to me. I haven't been following this thread but was bored at work, gave it a read and NO Brittbike220, we don't need you to hold your breath until you pass out but I can think of some one else who should. And that would be being of service to this comunity!!!
 
Grandpaul and Jamie I am sorry. I don't know you and if I have a point to make I should talk in generalities.

So generally speaking I am sure people can be involved in any activity for good or bad reasons, including motorcycling. There are lots of people that manufacture or supply motorcycle parts and that do repair work on them that are fabulous contributors to the sport.

I have also seen a lot of people that use the hobby and hurt it and they piss me off a lot. So oftentimes when I see earmarks of something that reminds me of negative things I have seen in the past I jump the gun and jump all over it.

I like to see people ride and have fun, anyone else I am very wary of. In the future I will try to keep my mouth shut without first-hand experience of it's target, maybe with some practice in the future I will even become good at it.


BenG
 
beng said:
Grandpaul and Jamie I am sorry. I don't know you and if I have a point to make I should talk in generalities.

So generally speaking I am sure people can be involved in any activity for good or bad reasons, including motorcycling. There are lots of people that manufacture or supply motorcycle parts and that do repair work on them that are fabulous contributors to the sport.

I have also seen a lot of people that use the hobby and hurt it and they piss me off a lot. So oftentimes when I see earmarks of something that reminds me of negative things I have seen in the past I jump the gun and jump all over it.

I like to see people ride and have fun, anyone else I am very wary of. In the future I will try to keep my mouth shut without first-hand experience of it's target, maybe with some practice in the future I will even become good at it.


BenG
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The seed of wisdom has taken root. I don't know how old you are, but I will wish you many years of sensible comments from now on.

Jean
 
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