Post Photos of your Norton P11

This is a pic of my slightly different 1967 P11 taken in June 2022. I know it looks like a Ranger, but it is a '67 P11 with a bunch of changes.

Obviously, it's not the restored dual sporty version of the P11. It's better suited for relatively comfortable road work.
Post Photos of your Norton P11
 
Interbak said:
First ride out yesterday on the Ranger. This is the 3rd Ranger off the line, it came to me as a total basket case in 2002. Frame was bent, engine very solidly seized, 12 inch over length fork tubes without any spring, tones of missing parts. I’ve been slowly collecting parts for it, and started working on it a little over a year ago. The last inspection sticker on it was from 1972. Started on the 3rd kick after nearly 1/2 a century of sitting idle and ignored. You’ll notice a couple of oddities that stray from the Ranger norm, like shaved hubs and Atlas head casting, rather than the accepted Commando head casting and finned hubs. I attribute this to the “factory was using up what they had on hand” at the start of the production run, at least that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

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excellent job.
 
Interbak said:
First ride out yesterday on the Ranger. This is the 3rd Ranger off the line, it came to me as a total basket case in 2002. Frame was bent, engine very solidly seized, 12 inch over length fork tubes without any spring, tones of missing parts. I’ve been slowly collecting parts for it, and started working on it a little over a year ago.
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Awesome restoration job! Where did you locate the side (prop) stand? I think it's the only part missing on mine.

- Knut
 
mdt-son said:
Awesome restoration job! Where did you locate the side (prop) stand? I think it's the only part missing on mine.

- Knut
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I honestly don’t remember where I got the side stand, probably eBay. I collected parts for years before getting around to doing the actual rebuild.
 
Interbak said:
I honestly don’t remember where I got the side stand, probably eBay. I collected parts for years before getting around to doing the actual rebuild.
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OK. There has been a thread on the prop stand before.

P11 Side Stands

I am wanting to replace my home made side stand on my 1967 P11 with an original side stand. As I browse thru the threads on this subject I don't find much info that seems valuable for my needs. I have the parts book "Spare parts catalog 1963 through 1970". The first two sections, of the three in...
www.accessnorton.com www.accessnorton.com

It seems you have the early stand 034048, the later reinforced stand was 034070. The Atlas prop stand appears to have a length (A) of 6.375" while the P11 stand measures 6.5"., see #12 in the above link.
May I bother you to take a reading of the leg's length (A) of your prop stand? Note that the reading starts at the edge of the pivot hole, so you have to eyeball this.
I'd be interested in the thickness C at the transition to the clevis, if you have a vernier caliper at hand.

Could you do me a close up of foot plate in the actuated position? Do you think the lean is safe with your length of prop stand? It appears to stand quite upright in the picture.

Thanks,
Knut
 
mdt-son said:
Thanks Schwany. I am aware of this offer. The stand is not made to spec and appears to be too long. I will send an enquiry to vendor.

- Knut
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OK Didn't mean to steer you in a goofy direction. I have never bought one, so wouldn't know.

I wouldn't bother if you know all that to be true. If he answers, it will be brief. Probably along the lines of it will work.

The chromed stick I use works, but it's not a restoration or even in the same location. Probably cost me $19US when I bought it. ;)
 
mdt-son said:
Thanks Schwany. I am aware of this offer. The stand is not made to spec and appears to be too long. I will send an enquiry to vendor.
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Vendor replied. Before quoting his data, one needs to know the spec for 033278 pivot pin. According to Baxter Cycle, the dimension is 7/16" x 1-5/16" .
So, the equivalent length (A) of "bsanut"s side stand is approximately 12+13/64" - 7/32" - 1.93" = 10.05"
Pivot pin was replaced by a bolt - I've assumed dimensions are equal.

That stand is indeed much longer than the genuine stand for P11 or P11A (Ranger). Buyer beware!

- Knut
 
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No argument from me about length and what is correct. However, kicked forward at the angle Interbak's Ranger side stand is, 10" looks like it could work in a pinch.

The clamp on pivot arrangement for the P11 side stand is ridiculous to me. I think the side stands were an afterthought for what was originally designed as an off road desert racing bike. Usually, a tree or large rock worked for the 2 stroke dirt bikes I owned. The big 4 stroke singles might have all had side stands.
 
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Schwany said:
No argument from me about length and what is correct. However, kicked forward at the angle Interbak's Ranger side stand is, 10" looks like it could work in a pinch.

The clamp on pivot arrangement for the P11 side stand is ridiculous to me. I think the side stands were an afterthought for what was originally designed as an off road desert racing bike. Usually, a tree or large rock worked for the 2 stroke dirt bikes I owned. The big 4 stroke singles might have all had side stands.
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A side stand base using a pinch at the lower rail will not work, it's been tried before, even when using a toothed shell friction insert.
The clamp design may look like an afterthought, but it's the lightest and easiest solution, providing a hard rotation stop, as the frame rail wall thickness is too low to resist twisting by itself. An alternative would have been a heavy casting bolted at the front and rear engine plates. The G85CS, which was the frame donor for the P11 series, had no stand whatsover.

- Knut
 
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mdt-son said:
A side stand base using a pinch at the lower rail will not work, it's been tried before, even when using a toothed shell friction insert.
The clamp design may look like an afterthought, but it's the lightest and easiest solution, providing a hard rotation stop, as the frame rail wall thickness is too low to resist twisting by itself. An alternative would have been a heavy casting bolted at the front and rear engine plates. The G85CS, which was the frame donor for the P11 series, had no stand whatsover.

- Knut
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I am a failure to communicate. "In a pinch" is a phrase I use for "if nothing else is available". I was not referring to using a pinch attachment. I know a version of the P11 history. I've had it longer than most except the brave few that bought a '67 P11 new.

I had a 3/8" thick tab gas welded on my frame for the kick stand. I believe the welder used brass coat hanger wire. It has not moved, nor does it bend the tubing holding up the weight. No need to give me any engineering specifics on the coat hanger wire or gas welding being all wrong. It works and that is all I care about. ;)
 

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