Norton death?

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Interesting thread. Regarding my Fullauto Technologies heads, I merely sell them as replacement heads "to suit Norton Commando 850 and 750" the same as others in the world who sell replacement parts for many different vehicles. You could build 50 Harley Davidson motors and not use a single Harley part or the same part from the same manufacturer. I don't believe that I could be prosecuted anywhere for trading using the Norton name. Emery seems to emphasise the fact that he sells "genuine Commando" parts but he never mentions selling "genuine Norton Commando" parts. The parts that Andover sell can be described as such but not the parts that Norvil makes and sells.

To me this is all just a word game. The brake kits that Emery sells as Genuine Norvil are nothing of the sort. Technically he can describe them as such but not really accurately in a historic sense. Only the Mick Hemmings kits are pretty much what was sold on the Proddy racer back in the day. And the best looking, in my opinion, with no performance shortcomings . My heads aren't genuine. However, they are so superior to what else is available that there is no competition. Based on what it has cost me and the time it will take me to recoup my costs, let alone make a profit then I don't think there ever will be. I saw a new head some time back in Perth which had cost the owner nearly as much as one of my heads and it wouldn't have flowed as well as a standard head of any RH profile. Not only that but the mechanic who fitted it spent a huge amount of time making bits fit. It has also been welded in a couple of places. My heads have shown that all standard Norton bits will fit straight in with no modifications.

I sincerely hope Mr Garner succeeds with his Norton operation. I do not begrudge him a thing. It will be just like modern Triumphs versus the old Triumphs. There is a clear distinction and just because you own one doesn't necessarily mean that the other appeals. After all, the similarities are merely cosmetic and styling cues.

How about a 961 Fastback ? Please?
 
Firstly, Norton Villiers- a small time pirate who thought Norton wasn't owned or policed by anyone, so put "Norton" on some cheap and nasty imports and made up a hairraising tale on how he was rightly Villiers and hence Norton in his publicity. Norton America's lawyers stopped him in the end, due to my continuous protests. That is all history, and was a very brief exercise.

Secondly, the Norton "Dementis" V8, as it was called amongst old hands in the Norton company, was a total fraud. It was based on two (disguised- but compare the technical details) Kawasaki ZX7R top halves fitted to a common crankcase, something that people Down Under have done as a private exercise in the sheds of their sheepfarms. Its creator, the self-confessed "Greatest Engine Designer of all Times" has disappeared from the face of the earth completely, after leaving several very costly- to his clients- unsolved mechanical problems. As I understand it from reading an American judgement in favour of Kenny Dreer/Ollie Curme (Norton America) against the previous "owners" of the trademark in the States, it was the disguise/front for several investment fraud companies which used first the "March", later the "Norton" name.

There was a "test" in Motor Cycle News- I forget now if it was of the four-cylinder version or the "Dementis", which admitted the bike fell to bits when under way, and the then MCN journalist Terry Snelling admitted to me the "action photos" were made by rolling the bike down a slope without the engine running.
 
I find it funny and somewhat entertaining to see how much effort and speculation people put into matters that have no bearing on their lives. The life and death of the New Norton is no exception of course. :wink:
 
britbike220 said:
I find it funny and somewhat entertaining to see how much effort and speculation people put into matters that have no bearing on their lives. The life and death of the New Norton is no exception of course. :wink:

What do you mean "no bearing"? All things Norton have some bearing on any Norton aficionado.

Anyways, aside from porn, speculation pretty much drives the internet. :mrgreen:
 
ZFD said:
Secondly, the Norton "Dementis" V8, as it was called amongst old hands in the Norton company, was a total fraud. It was based on two (disguised- but compare the technical details) Kawasaki ZX7R top halves fitted to a common crankcase

Chuckle.
Don't think such details got into the press...
Are there any views of the V8 assembled into its bike anywhere ?

Is that a bare 4 or 8 cylinder engine on the floor ?
Pic doesn't quite show enough ....
 
Ah, the press........ Motor Cycle News will publish anything Norton, as unbelievable as it may be, to raise their circulation figures, and they currently have an "exclusive" deal with Norton Motorcycles. They know every time they have "Norton" on the cover a lot of people buy the paper who normally wouldn't.

In the "Dementis" era they did a feature on who had claims to what in the Norton game, and claimed an American had the exclusive rights to the US market. I rang "Terrible Terry" (Snelling) of MCN and said: "Terry, you know that isn't the case, the guy had a contract with a company that is now bankrupt, and the new outfit only bought the assets, not the liabilities!" Terrible Terry answered "Yeah, I know, but it makes good copy!"

So whatever you read, ask yourself if it is likely to be truth or just "good copy"!
 
Well, ya got me ZFD !!! If I see a mag with ANYTHING about the New Norton, I buy it. Getting more and more frustrated at the wait for actual machines visible and for sale though.
 
I believe much of what is put to press is just used as a feedback tool, from which changes can be made. Staurt Garner, I believe has been (luckily) a victim of his own making. He most probably did not know that demand was going to be as strong as it is for the new Norton, this coupled with a change in the engine production arrangement which could not be foreseen or planned to provide a seamless transition, has not helped him either.
I am sure he will overcome these issues, as he now has something to work from as far as sales demand is concerned, enabling bikes to be delivered in a timely manor.
I have noticed there seams to be many stories regarding the delivery of new Nortons, only those who have parted with their cash and Stuart Garner himself know the true situation as frustrating as it maybe. Much else seems to based on myth and chinese whispers.
I myself, and like many other I hope, support him in this huge task to manufacture a modern Norton. Whether you like the current models or not, with our support and opinions maybe in the future there will be a model you'll like.
 
swooshdave said:
britbike220 said:
I find it funny and somewhat entertaining to see how much effort and speculation people put into matters that have no bearing on their lives. The life and death of the New Norton is no exception of course. :wink:

What do you mean "no bearing"? All things Norton have some bearing on any Norton aficionado.

Anyways, aside from porn, speculation pretty much drives the internet. :mrgreen:

Ok, Ok I should have used sports fans as an example. :lol:
 
If you wait another ten years I will tell you what really went on this time. I promise!
 
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