New Idiot on the Block

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Hello everyone,

Short time member and Newbie Norton owner here. This is also my first post to the forum. So first, let me give you a little background of how I came to this point in time...

My wife and family think I'm nuts. They're probably right.

Over the past year, I've been hunting unicorns. To clarify, a unicorn can be anything. To quality, it has to be something so elusive, so rare to find in the wild, it may as well not exist. My "unicorn" for the past year or two has been a 1973 or 74 Norton Commando 850, black, with low miles, sitting under cover and ridden around the block from time to time. It also needed to be within my budget, which was around $3500. Like I said, a unicorn.

The problem with hunting unicorns is that you start to have other distractions. I have acquired a number of OTHER motorcycles over the past year while in search of my Norton. Some were for pleasure (like my Ural and sidecar), while others were for the purpose of learning. Let me be clear -- I am a seasoned rider, but a motorcycle mechanic I am not. What better way to learn than to buy a cheap motorcycle and tear into it? That's how my first barn-find Honda CL450 scrambler found it's way into my garage. A second, less complete CL450 came just a month or so later. The plan was to do a proper "classic restoration" one one and to make the other into a cafe racer. Two identical bikes, two completely different outcomes. These projects are in-process one is actually running again.

My garage, at that point was holding the "maximum number of allowable motorcycles" according to my wife. The funny thing about unicorns, though, is that you never know when they will appear. Mine came posted by its owner on Craigslist one cold, January morning while most of the east coast was still asleep. I was the first responder among a flurry of other requests to see the bike. With the promise to my wife of selling one of my projects "eventually", I set out to get my black, 1974 Norton Commando 850 with 6900 original miles. It's not as complete as I would like, it's had a bit of a rough life, but it's MY unicorn none the less. I was told it ran about three years ago which gives me hope that I can get her up and running again.

That said, this is a huge project for me. A new idiot is on the block. I will be asking questions that will make you shake your head in wonderment. Please bear with me as I take this journey. It's sure to be a long one.

In the meantime, if anyone has a CL450 they would like to get rid of, I'm sure I could find some room in my garage.

All the best,

Kevin
 
Kevin there is always room for another unicorn but always limited resources to keep more than one wife at a time tolerating any of em. Not to worry though owning a Commando, especially an 850 model designed in era Norton was holding 3 fingers up before going down final time, to become respected skilled and equipped cycle restorer though may take a decade or more to settle on proper oil advice to use. Its the small inline4's H--da's that are that most delicious vintage head turners to hunt down but any Commando will still steal the show at any H--da rally. In case ya don't yet know how it goes for all of us leaking stinking Harley like Commando riders - don't show this to wives...

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CmaMZRRWlo[/video]
 
Welcome to the loony bin, looks like you will fit in just fine. I myself had 5 Commandos and a pile of parts this time last year, Down to 3 and a slightly smaller pile of parts, also a 75 xs650 and a 61 aermacchi sprint 250.
 
Welcome to the block, People here will be glad to help and you can also use the search feature to find things. All you need is here and suppliers are around now more than ever, Great bike to own and ride. I love both of mine and both have never left me stranded. :wink:
 
Less than 7,000 miles there won't be a lot of worn parts, broken maybe. Welcome to the asylum. If your crazy enough to work on a Honda 450, you'll do fine. That cam chain is a PITA to reconnect. By the way $3500 is only the beginning. :) Let us know how it goes and what you need.
 
Thanks, everyone. I will start putting together a list of missing parts. It's funny what you overlook when you are in the heat of the moment. My first idiot mistake was not checking for loose articles on the bike before taking her home. The left-hand side cover fell off somewhere near Rantoul, Illinois and the Indiana border. It's probably somewhere on I-74 East. :evil:

I have the front brake caliper, it's just off the bike (with new pads). He told me it seized and that's why he removed it. The tires are 3 years new (15 miles on them).

Missing or broken parts:

-Left side cover (duh!)
-Center stand foot broken off
-Odometer glass is shattered
-Mirrors
-Turn signals, front and rear
-Seat cover torn
-Rear taillight broken
-Rear footpegs
-Airbox
-Battery

My plan was to change all of the fluids, clean carbs, and check clearances before trying to start it up. I know that I need a good set of Whitworth tools, but not sure what I should start with.

Feel free to add to the list. In the meantime, here are some photos...


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Cheers,
Kevin
 
You are going to regret loosing the side cover, It was a common item that falls off and good used ones are very hard to come by. Luckily Andover makes new ones far a reasonable price.
 
Kevin, during my first marriage I brought up three kids and did the stressful job, and all the house stuff. I always felt guilty about my motorcycling. One divorce, retirement and several grand kids later I have only one regret - I did not do enough road racing. Never sell yourself so short that you deny yourself what is important. If your wife complains, tell her to go and get pregnant, I will bet that she has got most of what she wants out of life. It is one thing if your bikes are costing what must be spent on your kid's needs, however in my experience that is rarely the situation.
 
Welcome Kevin,

You will find more helpful enthusiasts here than anywhere else on the planet.
Looks like you have a good start!

Mike
 
When I called the insurance company, the VIN states that this bike is a 1974 Commando 850 Interstate. I was told by a member that I have a Roadster tank and pipes. Can anyone verify?

That said, I am looking for the exact part number for the left side case. From looking at the parts list, the part numbers vary depending on the model. You were right - I really regret losing it!

Kevin
 
Nice bike.

Commando bodywork, pipes, seats were routinely swapped between Roadster and Interstate identities, sometimes by the dealers depending on what the buyer wanted so I wouldn't worry about it. I turned a `71 Roadster into an "Interback" once. Sort of like "Mr. Potato Head" where you just keep changing the mouth, nose, and eyeballs. Besides, a nice Interstate tank will run you $500-700 (until Emgo starts making quality repops, then watch the prices fall). I didn't think the VIN identified the model beyond "Commando".

New LH side covers are relatively cheap at around $100. Everyone is selling the same part.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/3109433974 ... =82&chn=ps
 
FreeRadical said:
When I called the insurance company, the VIN states that this bike is a 1974 Commando 850 Interstate. I was told by a member that I have a Roadster tank and pipes.

http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Broch ... ochure.pdf

FreeRadical said:
That said, I am looking for the exact part number for the left side case. From looking at the parts list, the part numbers vary depending on the model.
06-3503
http://www.oldbritts.com/nor_comm_73_25.html
http://www.oldbritts.com/1973_g25.html
 
FreeRadical said:
When I called the insurance company, the VIN states that this bike is a 1974 Commando 850 Interstate. I was told by a member that I have a Roadster tank and pipes. Can anyone verify?

Commandos are readily changed from Interstate to Roadster (and vice versa), just by unbolting bits - tank, seat, sidecovers, exhausts and mufflers.

Wonder how they looked that up to say that, the VIN does not hold any clues as to what is was built as, ex-factory...
 
There is nothing crazy, idiotic, or stupid about wanting a Norton, even a yellow one.

Welcome to the forum.
 
From looking at the pictures of your "new bike" it appears to be a 1974 year model 850 Mark II Commando Roadster. It looks to be an early Mark II judging by the chain guard. The chain guard was changed January 1974 in order to give clearance for the later brake inspection plug. Just as the other previous posts stated, the VIN number does not indicate whether it is a Roadster, Interstate, High Rider or even a JPN replica.

Too bad you lost the side cover. It would be a lot worse if the original toolkit had been in the side cover when it departed. You could also be thankful that it was not a Mark IIA steel side cover because those are really hard to come by.

You mentioned that you need rear foot pegs but it looks as though the right rear one is on the bike and the left hand rear foot peg is mounted where the front foot peg goes. So you need a front foot peg as well as the foot peg rubbers.

Whitworth/British Standard tools are needed for the gearbox and they are also used in the engine. There are also some British Association fasteners here and there. However, on almost all of the fasteners on the motorcycle you will use standard inch sized tools. The engine will also use standard inch sized tools as well. So there is a bit of a mix and match.

One other thing I would suggest on your list of things to buy is a factory service manual, a parts book and a Mark II/IIA parts book supplement. Also I would suggest getting a Supersession and Amended Part Number List.

Welcome and I hope you enjoy your new acquisition.
 
FreeRadical said:
That said, this is a huge project for me. A new idiot is on the block. I will be asking questions that will make you shake your head in wonderment. Please bear with me as I take this journey. It's sure to be a long one.
Kevin

An idiot? I think not!
An idiot would not have the intelligence to choose the most iconic British twin to own.
An idiot would not spend the rather considerable time to learn how to restore, maintain and repair a Commando.
An idiot would not have the resources to purchase all manner of new parts and assorted bling to adorn his Commando.
Any health care professional would see that you are not an idiot.
Sir, you are a masochist, like the rest of us.
Welcome.
 
In lieu of a parts book (print is dead) you can always browse the Andover Norton Website where they post the original parts listings "Online" no less. It's a little klunky (but then it IS British) but pretty handy if you're looking for a part number or if you want to see an assembly.

http://www.nortonmotors.de/ANIL/Norton% ... del=n850_2

(sorry, couldn't resist)
 
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