New carbs, won't start warm...

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Jun 24, 2013
Messages
16
Good day everyone. I have a bit of an issue that I am hoping you kind folks can help me out with.

I have been dealing with some worn out AMAL 932's for a little while now and decided to upgrade to a new set of AMAL Premier 932's. After installing them, I realized that I need some help. Here are the details.

Commando MK11 850
K&N filter
94 octane fuel

The new amals were set up properly for the commando 850 with the proper slides, needles and jets.

260 main
3 1/2 slides
106 needle jet.

I have always used the Bushmans tuning tips for Amal setup in the past and so used the same process to set up my new carbs. Equal spacing on the slides and balanced cable pull. All good, no issues there. Everything moves freely.

Set the needle to the middle position.

Now, The bike started quite easily right away, but would not even give me a glimmer of idle. If I let the throttle off it simple stopped running. I raised the slide height but this made no difference. Idle jet started at 1 1/2 turns, tried it at all the position between 1 turn and 2 turns and also found no difference. All the while, I could hear a significant sucking sound coming from my air filter. I had never heard that before so I chocked it up to the carbs not leaking (like my old ones) and pulling the proper amount of air through the filter.
Choke did not help idling either, with the throttle at one position, turning the choke on made the rpm's rise, but would die just as fast if I let the throttle off.
Once the bike had warmed up, I couldn't start it at all. I also received a lot of kickback when trying.

I have a Boyer MKIII ignition, and have tested it heavily on previous occasions trying to figure out if the problem with my bike was the carbs or the ignition. It was the carbs for sure. The boyer is working perfectly. I have advance set up at 30 at the moment, in the hopes I would reduce the kickback I was receiving with the old carbs.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Cory.
 
I'd be verifying flow through the idle circuits.. full disassembly and spray solvent through the passages.
 
I can't imagine a carb right out of the box would have a plugged idle circuit, but that is good thinking. I'll give that a look.
 
ioginy said:
I can't imagine a carb right out of the box would have a plugged idle circuit, but that is good thinking. I'll give that a look.


I know, you wouldn't think so... BUT, before we figure out what it IS, first we'll figure out what it ISN'T. Now.. about the Giant Sucking Sound... you didn't (I'm sorry, basics here) forget to reinstall the balance tube? :oops:
 
Basics are good, something simple is often overlooked.

The balance tubes were installed.
 
ioginy said:
Basics are good, something simple is often overlooked.

The balance tubes were installed.

OK, sounds good. How about the Premier special feature of cleanout passages opposite the idle mixture screw? Those plugs are in place?
 
They are indeed.
Also, when I heard the sucking sound I put my ear down and it was defiantly coming from the air filter. I put my hand around the filter and it was cold, I assume from the air rushing in.
 
ioginy said:
They are indeed.
Also, when I heard the sucking sound I put my ear down and it was defiantly coming from the air filter. I put my hand around the filter and it was cold, I assume from the air rushing in.

Can you post us some pics?
 
absolutely.

I didn't know if there was something specific you were looking for so I just took a general shot.

New carbs, won't start warm...
 
ioginy said:
I can't imagine a carb right out of the box would have a plugged idle circuit, but that is good thinking. I'll give that a look.
I can't either but that's what i found. There was an opaque grease, possible to lube the sealing orings. These holes in the new jets are small and are unusually vulnerable.
 
pete.v said:
ioginy said:
I can't imagine a carb right out of the box would have a plugged idle circuit, but that is good thinking. I'll give that a look.
I can't either but that's what i found. There was an opaque grease, possible to lube the sealing orings. These holes in the new jets are small and are unusually vulnerable.

That being said, pull the idle mixture screws, a quick blast of the air nozzle (kids, don't try this at home) and re-assemble, idle happy :mrgreen:
 
Hmmm, did you pull the inside special cleaning screw as well, or just the idle jet adjustment acre before giving it a blast of air?
 
ioginy said:
Hmmm, did you pull the inside special cleaning screw as well, or just the idle jet adjustment acre before giving it a blast of air?

I've done my original type concentric 932's a few times. Should work the same.
 
On the premiers they have a screw on the opposite side of the idle jet adjustment that you can pull out to replace the idle bushing or just to clean it out. Handy feature. I just flushed the carbs but had some things taken apart in preparation. It goes back together now for a test.
 
ioginy said:
On the premiers they have a screw on the opposite side of the idle jet adjustment that you can pull out to replace the idle bushing or just to clean it out. Handy feature. I just flushed the carbs but had some things taken apart in preparation. It goes back together now for a test.
Video clip of tickover please :P
 
ioginy said:
On the premiers they have a screw on the opposite side of the idle jet adjustment that you can pull out to replace the idle bushing or just to clean it out. Handy feature. I just flushed the carbs but had some things taken apart in preparation. It goes back together now for a test.

There is no more bushing on the premiers. Pull the air screw and the Pilot jet on the other side. Clean the jet and clear the passage.

Pilot jet side
New carbs, won't start warm...


Pilot jet removed
New carbs, won't start warm...


Airscrew side
New carbs, won't start warm...


Looking down the rabbit hole.
New carbs, won't start warm...


No bushing! Got it?
 
Got it!

Damnit, I just put everything back together for the video. Looks like I'll have to pull one of the carbs off to get at both sides.
 
ioginy said:
Got it!

Damnit, I just put everything back together for the video. Looks like I'll have to pull one of the carbs off to get at both sides.
That's ok. It gets easier after the first 100 times.

Look for fine jelly like goop in the holes of the pilot jet, side holes and the one down the center.

Remember, no air, no idle.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top