mudgard width?

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while riding my roadster today with another fellow, I realized his bike had a narrower front fender (it seems he also had problems for not touching the stems with the tyre..)
now, I am trying to understand if mine is the large one, the stock or whatever.. anyone may tell me the width of his front fender?
Thanks..
ps. I am speaking about the stainless steel front fender, not the coloured cnw one..
 
My '72 chromed steel front fender is 4 3/8" wide. This is the last year of chromed as '73 models went to the wider stainless steel fenders.
 
illf8ed said:
My '72 chromed steel front fender is 4 3/8" wide. This is the last year of chromed as '73 models went to the wider stainless steel fenders.
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I measured mine: the front one is 12 cm and the rear 13 cm.. I suppose both are stainless steel
what about the rear: has it always been the same or the former models had a slimmer one as well?
furthermore, I am wondering if the slimmer are now available also in stainless steel..
 
Chromed guards are NARROWer .oil Breather pipe over the primary'll have chrome guards .

Rear breather / Large Eng. No. boss will have flatter X section stainless steel , and disc brake Fr.

Unless someones changed them . Stainless should have rear shock mount inner gusset running aft to brace rear subframe,
but mods/ updates were ' rolling ' so not all full spec initially , or some cross over / mixed fittment overall . :shock: perhaps :?
 
Lorenzo, What year is your friend's bike? Early Commandos have a narrower front guard and slightly shorter mounting struts, these can only accommodate a 3.60 width tyre not a 4.10. My 1969 S-Type has a guard that is 11 CMs. wide.
 
dave M said:
Lorenzo, What year is your friend's bike? Early Commandos have a narrower front guard and slightly shorter mounting struts, these can only accommodate a 3.60 width tyre not a 4.10. My 1969 S-Type has a guard that is 11 CMs. wide.
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he has a 1972 roadster, but perhaps he owns the very early mudguard and moreover mounting struts you mention and had problems fitting a 4.10 tyre..
at this point, as I can understand, there are at least three sizes of mudguards: the very early one you are mentioning, another slim one used until 1972 (chrome) and the large one used since 1973 (stainless steel)?
 
On the subject of mudguards I have bought a couple of front units for a Harley Sportster off E-bay, You have to trim the mounting brackets and redrill 4 holes, but they were less than $50 brand new and I am happy with the quality for a fender that will need painting.
 
The narrow front mudguards are now available from Andover Norton under part# 06-0583, the tubular stays under 06-0619 (chromed). These have not been available for a quarter of a century but I wanted them for my own Commando and what the boss wants......... The new fronts are made from polished stainless.
Rear guards were always the same bar the Fastback/Production Racer ones which will also become available again in the near future (boss also has a 1970 Proddy Racer and a 1968 Fastback........).
Joe Seifert
 
ZFD said:
The narrow front mudguards are now available from Andover Norton under part# 06-0583, the tubular stays under 06-0619 (chromed). These have not been available for a quarter of a century but I wanted them for my own Commando and what the boss wants......... The new fronts are made from polished stainless.
Rear guards were always the same bar the Fastback/Production Racer ones which will also become available again in the near future (boss also has a 1970 Proddy Racer and a 1968 Fastback........).
Joe Seifert
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thank you Joe: do you mean the part# 06-0583 is now produced in stainless steel?
what is the 'tubular'?
 
Yes, we decided against making them in mild steel and chroming it and made them in polished stainless. The "tubular stay" is the stays front and rear that fit to the bottom "ears" of the fork sliders. You see what I mean on http://www.andover-norton.co.uk/News.htm.
Joe
 
ZFD said:
Yes, we decided against making them in mild steel and chroming it and made them in polished stainless. The "tubular stay" is the stays front and rear that fit to the bottom "ears" of the fork sliders. You see what I mean on http://www.andover-norton.co.uk/News.htm.
Joe
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thank you Joe: can I keep the old painted stays I have to fit with the stainless slim mudguard you now produce? (the stays I have are for the larger stainless steel 1973 style mudguard - 12 cm)
or do I need also new stays? (I would like to keep the originality, which was for silver painted stays..)
 
Lorenzo,
Your other stays (part# 06-2323) are wider and don't really fit the narrow guard. If you insist on painted ones, unchromed stays are available from Andover Norton under 06-0619/1; you can then paint them silver.
Joe
 
Joe

Can I offer some, hopefully constructive, criticism of your stainless rear mudguard? Well I'm going to anyway. :roll:

I bought one for my '72 Commando & had to modify it to clear the oil scavenge pipe at rear of oil tank as it wouldn't fit without. It also had 2 holes missing for the rear light fairing so I had to drill them. Luckily I had the remains of my old mudguard to use as a template.
Can I also say that your centre stand could do with being about an inch longer, as both wheels are still on the ground when it's on the stand.

Thanks

Ian
 
Nortoniggy said:
Joe

Can I offer some, hopefully constructive, criticism of your stainless rear mudguard? Well I'm going to anyway. :roll:

I bought one for my '72 Commando & had to modify it to clear the oil scavenge pipe at rear of oil tank as it wouldn't fit without. It also had 2 holes missing for the rear light fairing so I had to drill them. Luckily I had the remains of my old mudguard to use as a template.
Can I also say that your centre stand could do with being about an inch longer, as both wheels are still on the ground when it's on the stand.

Thanks

Ian
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I'm following Ian on the centre stand: I purchased the original one year 1973 onwards (the stronger one) and unfortunately both the wheels touch the ground (although it is very good and easy to use..)
 
ZFD said:
The narrow front mudguards are now available from Andover Norton under part# 06-0583, the tubular stays under 06-0619 (chromed). These have not been available for a quarter of a century but I wanted them for my own Commando and what the boss wants......... The new fronts are made from polished stainless.
Rear guards were always the same bar the Fastback/Production Racer ones which will also become available again in the near future (boss also has a 1970 Proddy Racer and a 1968 Fastback........).
Joe Seifert
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Joe,
Will the 06-0583 and 06-0619 which are the mudguard and stays for the 68 Commando (pre-Fastback) be anywhere near the equivalent of the 25542A and 25540A which are the mudguard and stays for the 69/70 Commando 'S'???

Dave
69S
 
at this point, as I can understand, there are at least three sizes of mudguards: the very early one you are mentioning, another slim one used until 1972 (chrome) and the large one used since 1973 (stainless steel?)
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Since Norton moved to a 4.10H-19 front tire for the 1971 models, those front mudguards are wider than 1970 and earlier. The stainless versions became available sometime in 1972, and were the same size as the chrome ones they replaced.
 
You might check the engine cradle for wear. The center stand may not be stopping where it should. If it goes too far, you can get the condition where both wheels are on the ground.


Lorenzo said:
Nortoniggy said:
Joe

Can I offer some, hopefully constructive, criticism of your stainless rear mudguard? Well I'm going to anyway. :roll:

I bought one for my '72 Commando & had to modify it to clear the oil scavenge pipe at rear of oil tank as it wouldn't fit without. It also had 2 holes missing for the rear light fairing so I had to drill them. Luckily I had the remains of my old mudguard to use as a template.
Can I also say that your centre stand could do with being about an inch longer, as both wheels are still on the ground when it's on the stand.

Thanks

Ian
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I'm following Ian on the centre stand: I purchased the original one year 1973 onwards (the stronger one) and unfortunately both the wheels touch the ground (although it is very good and easy to use..)
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illf8ed said:
You might check the engine cradle for wear. The center stand may not be stopping where it should. If it goes too far, you can get the condition where both wheels are on the ground.
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Engine cradle is slightly worn but rear wheel was well clear of the ground with the original centre stand, so there is a definite question mark over the dimensions of the new ones. I replaced stand after the original got bent in an accident but will probably straighten it & refit it.

Ian
 
Lorenzo -

I put one of the later type Andover stands on my '72 750 and it does lift the rear wheel off the ground just fine. (Did not measure but I can rotate the rear tire by hand even on gravel driveway.) Did you replace the hardware also? I guess you would have to because of the larger ID of the pivot holes. I have 18" rear rim but with 110/90V18 Roadrider which has about same diameter as stock 4.10H19.

Russ
 
ZFD said:
The narrow front mudguards are now available from Andover Norton under part# 06-0583, the tubular stays under 06-0619 (chromed). These have not been available for a quarter of a century but I wanted them for my own Commando and what the boss wants......... The new fronts are made from polished stainless.
Joe Seifert
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Is there a US distributor that stocks 06-0583?

Thanks,
Aaron
 
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