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Good evening all... I have just viewed the youtube vision of JPN OWNER. Just wanted to post a little warning, (advice), based on recent painful experience. Several months ago an old mate asked me to come over and start his 750 Bonny for him as it hadn't been running for a while and he is getting on in years. It did give some trouble, and I had kicked it many times before something happened that put me on crutches for six weeks. I pulled a calf muscle in my right leg. You will notice that when kick starting a bike from the side and using your right leg, your upper body is leaning forward, ( more so with small bars ) and your right leg becomes fully extended as well as slightly twisted. This puts immense strain on the lower calf, particularly if you are in the habit of placing the lever under the ball of your foot. This is very bad ! Either sit on the bike or get used to using the LEFT leg. You can do it. I had nine weeks of pain, six on crutches, and it is still there to remind me. My Doctor told me it is a common occurrence to injure the calf ... at my age... and could become repetitive... BE WARNED IT CAN HAPPEN VERY EASILY... I nearly had to go Electric... AC.
 
Don't use muscle, keep yer knee slightly bent and use yer weight, left foot starting is just not natural I know because I'll be stuck with it from now on. :(

Cash, who's nursing a new metal knee.
 
Alright, a worthless debate. I'm in! Standing on the right side left leg start. Standing on the left side Right leg start. Ask any seasoned dirt biker. Best for balance, stability, leverage, and control. Any other way is just feeding Dr. Groceries at the chiropractor.
 
LEFT LEG! SOUNDS WELL DODGY :!:
cash said:
Don't use muscle, keep yer knee slightly bent and use yer weight, left foot starting is just not natural I know because I'll be stuck with it from now on. :(

Cash, who's nursing a new metal knee.
 
Alright guys (again), I actually prefer right side/right leg start. But all I do is get my `71 to the compression stroke/lever high, then simple stand on it while straightening up the leg as if climbing a single stair-step. Weight does the rest
 
I have been kick starting bikes with my left leg for 30 years. In High School while playing soccer I was kicked in the right knee and had my knee cap dislocated. After an operation to rebuild the knee and months of rehab the best I can do is one or two kicks with my right leg before the knee gives out. Now a well tuned bike should start in a couple of kicks but they don't allways. If the bike stalls out at a light and is warmed up I can right leg kick it to restart but for cold starts it is always up on the center stand stand on the right side of the bike and use the left leg.
 
One of my other bikes has a left side kick start, when I first got it I was trying the left side right leg, off the bike, it didnt work well at all, it puts you right off balance (motocross bike so no stand either). After a while sitting on it using left leg seems perfectly natural, in fact I have trouble with right hand kick starts now! Im not too sure about Commandos but the Husaberg doesnt need a big kick either, its just a smooth flowing movement, even while seated
 
Cheesy said:
One of my other bikes has a left side kick start, when I first got it I was trying the left side right leg, off the bike, it didnt work well at all, it puts you right off balance (motocross bike so no stand either). After a while sitting on it using left leg seems perfectly natural, in fact I have trouble with right hand kick starts now! Im not too sure about Commandos but the Husaberg doesnt need a big kick either, its just a smooth flowing movement, even while seated

On my Bultacos (left-side kick) I have to stand to the side and kick with my right leg. Might not be coordinated enough to do it with my left leg.

As for kickstarting a Norton, well, let's just say I've had practice...
 
Ugh, ya'all's laymen assessment of what's causing what is missing the mark. Yes there are various ways each person may find better leverage and ease, but its not the actual loads on leg muscles and joints that gives these surprise injuries, often not discovered till next day or so. IT All About The Nerves, and not the local ones but the central nervous system one wtf up at top of neck in brain stem.
Its the same exact thing that happens to sports runners that suddenly pull a hamstring, yet did not hit a hole or get tackled, just pow! out of the blue down.

What is happening is a nerve mis-firing, muscle balance contracting conflict. Same as if ignition sparks hits too soon on piston rise BANG. In runner's case there are 6 big strong hip flex/forward muscles-the Quad's etc, and 6 big strong extension-backwards muscles, hamstrings. So when all 6 flex mm's at full force, one of the 6 hamstrings mm's mis-fires POW!, simply over powered so pulls apart or off attachments-tendons. Where the mis-fire happens in in CNS-spinal level, brain is not smart or fast enough to allow normal walking or running or kicking, just like music performance, spine must be programed by practice till patterns can be triggered automatically by brain commands to spine to go this way or that and at what speed/power.

What upsets the nerve firing is usually a physical and or chemical stress that finally reaches a threshold to break down, all of a sudden first use or after some repetitions. The almost universal common physical source of upper cord 'impingement' is old neck injury and habits finally wearing out to bump nerves directly or its blood supply, then Owie. Long term fix is re-growing neck via stretches and traction and what ever allows easiest stretching and traction.

The chemical side of nerve muscle joint equation are the minerals which is what nerves are moving in and out mm cells to contract and reset. BTW it takes no energy to contract a mm, think Rigor mortis , its takes energy to relax a muscle or reset nerve to fire. Think cocking pistol then slight trigger pull to fire a bullet, can't fire again till shortened up hammer spring is stretched out again. If not enough alkaline mineral reserves on hand right now, cramp and tear and cry city. Identical to most heart attacks too. Sugars/booze suck down these reserves, usually over hours for a hang over or surprise injury w/o undo stress. Come on man 10's of 1000's of folks kick off old hard start bikes for eons and don't get nothing but pissed off and tired. The mineral complex is also what is used to build joints and connective tissues and resist over inflammation too.

Third elements enters here too, state of mind while making excess efforts. If frustrated, pissed off it changes the mm tone of jaw and neck to add tension over what's required to get the job done, sometimes just enough for a OWie.

But once spark timing puts hole in piston, or upper neck bounce injures a joint, ya have to deal with the resultant damage. I highly recommend the soft flexible rubbery magnet sheets put over local boo'boo's, impacts to slices to burns. Baylar College found the mechanism, keeps capillary beds opening and closing instead of just filling up swollen or closing shut keeping blood flow out. Can take hours to kick in but effect last hours/over night once removed. When I break stuff like my R knee off in avatar event, I wear magnetic a couple weeks or else can't hardly move it. Broken end of 5th finger a week ago, needed 4 days magnet wrap to keep in from throbbing or lingering after a new bump to it, now merely puffy achy to grip hard, otherwise ignored.

Keep in mind as yo'al age and get new injury, if not for the above I'd not be able to live and work fine, let alone expect to ride again after next bad crash.
 
Sitting on my KTM 640 I had to kick with my left,( Left side kick start). It kicked me back once and blew a hole through the bottom of my boot, I limped for days. I'd kick with the right foot when it was cold. It's the equivalent to kicking a Commando with the left foot and easily doable.
 
Ugh, my 11+ CR P!! points set for sprint response broke my foot through loafers as couldn't afford boots. Also when R knee about torn off in avatar '99 event, could kick self in nose or touch side of hip with r foor I found out the hard way. 3 wk later after putting in a Boyer and setting to time light 32' as instructed, back fired first kick just as barely stable knee fully locked to lift me over to r and down a slope to squirm as white knuckled worm for 10 min, then eased up to normal just gimp off again, I knew I was not going to need new knee joint and would recover fine w/o attention to it, after backing time to 28'.

The funny part, now, was avatar photo was at drag strip 160 miles off. If I could not start Combat then I could go home by myself. It took me half hour trial error to figure a was to kick er off LH legged, while Harley crew was laughing their asses off at their new riding friend. Finally found if I stood over seat facing rear I could hop up on L leg and come down on kicker and catch myself w/o PAIN in r knee.

This was a testing time as had spent last of more money on bike w/o establishing a new clinic yet. I though knee would fuse up like Festus and could afford new knee in a few years, but no more running or biking for me. Flashed back on experiment we were taught in ortopedics and nuerology, where they drilled out rabbit knees completely, one group put in ace wrap to crawl about as they could, 2nd group fixed in a cast and 3rd group put in clock like motion device. 1st group 30 joint reformed, the rest chalk and scar, 2nd group total chalk and scar, last group, kept in motion, total regrown joint as if never injured at all. I tired that and it worked so now don't fear or suffer much from mangling joint injury, as long as parts can be pushed back mostly in line. I'll wrap major joint in duct tape before I try a record attempt or much stunt work.

I'm a bit scared of new Peel 10.5 CR 920, and still thinking of compression release.
 
john robert bould said:
LEFT LEG! SOUNDS WELL DODGY

How did you know?
I had to buy a center stand for my bike so I could use the left leg because the right is a bit gammy
 
Hm I've got to remember the arm start method in case of need or showing off. I've gotten both my Combat to hand start and a Triumph Bonnie too, which was easier to swing through than a AMC box bad leverage Norton. It wasn't that hard but the position or need to swing again puts me off doing that but just to say I can and have. Heck me and a few others have come back to a recently shut off Cdo and turned key on electronic ignition to have it self start at idle. Sure would like to refine that to a routine. Think there'd be a market for Comp Releases?
 
Theres a vid somewhere of guys with slippers and extended kick levers.Cant remember where I saw it
 
speirmoor said:
Theres a vid somewhere of guys with slippers and extended kick levers.Cant remember where I saw it

Guys with slippers :!: you should tighten up your browser's parameters :wink:

Jean
 
That's all a bit scary for me. I might start a new thread on... Why we shouldn't use our right arm to start our motor cycles... ha ha ha he he he...AC.
 
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