Laverda Man Finally Admits to Going Commando

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It is strange the way things happen isnt it? I have often hankered about finding an old bike and spending far too much time and money on restoring it back to what it once was.

The thing was I never fancied just purchasing one ( off ebay for example) as I just had a feeling that one day something would turn up.
I live in the beautiful Wye Valley that separates Wales from England, but work abroad in West Africa about 4 weeks every 2 months.On a working visit to Lagos, Nigeria I was called to a meeting by the Airport in Spring 2009 and found this:

Laverda Man Finally Admits to Going Commando


The Bike was covered in dust, and what wasnt covered in dust was covered in rust. But it is complete and there seems to be potential to have a great machine which I would have worked on to enjoy. It is not a money making project so it will cost what it costs( though is not an unlimited budget). I am adamant for instance that I am not going to pay a penny to get it all back to the UK. So that is my first challenge!!

I sought advice and thought about purchasing it long and hard, and to be honest even though it is possibly the worst Norton I could find, I decided that it would make a marvellous long term project. I figure it would help relieve the boredom after work in Nigeria and at the same time I would be doing something that would produce an amazing piece of engineering as the end result, and I would learn a lot from.


Later last year I decided the Norton was for me and my enquiries to the owner were met with incredulity that anyone would want to purchase this wreck and so at a cost of 50000 Naira ( about 200 Pounds/ 350 USD) the bike was all mine.

The deal was done and as the bike has not been used for at least 15 years it had to be re-registered in Nigeria before I could move it from the location to a Work colleagues house. So the best part of it at the moment are the shiny new number plates!!

I also have minimal mechanical knowledge so will be starting from scratch. So I will probably learn a lot in the process- most off here I hope, so I apologise here and now for any silly sounding questions I make in the future. I currently own a (very temperamental) Zane Laverda 650 that is 16 years old and a BMW 1200GS that is 6 months old. So for reliability clearly the BMW wins over the Laverda and probably the Norton any day, but for character? Well there would be no contest.

Life here in Nigeria is normally boring after work with little to do, and security issues reduce movement considerably.
As a result I am spending many a happy hour patiently disassembling and cataloguing the bike and trying to find out what would have been original and what has been bodged together over the years.

The bike parts are slowly being flown back to the UK in my suitcase for complete restoration and riding at home. I have already flown back the tank, side panels and various small items, and this trip I intend to bring back with me the clutch assembly, side engine casing foot pegs and mudguards.
So I estimate it will take me about 8 trips ( using my 25kg allowance to fly the entire bike home, though I am not sure how I am going to get the frame past UK Customs just yet... ;)

I have had invaluable help on this forum advising on various issues that I have discovered, and warn you all that this is going to be a long term voyage of discovery for me... The idea is to spent my downtime in Nigeria dis assembling, and quality time with my son in the UK ( who is 11) restoring to A1 standard. When he is18 I intend to give it to him as his Birthday present.

About the Bike:
I am told it is an 850Mk2 ( Plastic Air Box) It has certainly had a hard history here in Nigeria. Wiring loom is a mess, and handlebars are bent on the same side as a scrape in the engine casing suggesting it has been on its side at least once.
It is an Interstate, 850cc with pea shooter exhausts and no balance pipe on the downpipes. Most chrome parts are heavily corroded and brake pads on the front non existent. One spark plug is missing, suggesting a rebore/ new liners is necessary and there are no indicators.

My plans:
As there is no real engineering Industry most parts cannot be restored locally, and will have to be done in UK.
I have found a local Company in Lagos that can strip the Chrome and polish all components. To be honest the cost being charged (About 50USD) helped me no end in my decision. I will fly all components back to the UK for rechroming at home. Nickel Chroming is not possible here which is a shame, as labour prices here are so cheap.
I will paint the tank and side panels last in the UK, but will start work in UK on the project once I have the frame totally stripped and flown back ( anyone know the weight of a frame BTW).
My thoughts are the frame should be stripped and painted to keep original.Is there any particular advantage of stove enamelling? Thoughts here gratefully received.
Once the frame is restored, then I will start on the engine, then suspension and electrics last. That is the general plan, but hey things will probably change, as the restoration will be determined a lot by available finances.
I will be leaving a substantial part of the bike by weight ( such as seat forks, battery, tyres ,spokes and wheel rims here to be disposed of). Only restorable items will be taken back home.

Stripping the Bike.
I have on several occasions sprayed every nut and bolt with WD40. This has really paid dividends and I have not had any difficulties taking off the most rusted of nuts.
All rubbers are rotted due to the heat and so these have been removed, photographed and disposed of.
Today I intend to take off the Oil tank and clean it internally to take back to UK. This will probably take the rest of the day, particularly as it has started raining, and the bike is under a sheet outside. Am just looking outside now, and you know when it rains here it really pours, just like someone pouring buckets of warm water out of the clouds.
Not at all like good old freezing welsh rain that drizzles for days........ Uh Uh think am getting homesick...
 
That certainly looks like an interesting project!

I believe a lot of Interpol models were sold to the Nigerian police and military, so it could have been an Interpol originally? It might be worth checking with the NOC to see if anything is known about your bike, and in any case you will need to get a dating certificate from them so you can register it in the UK.

It must be fairly late production Mk2A model, as it has an 850 Mk3 style frame.


marknorton said:
anyone know the weight of a frame


The early Commando frame without the bracing tube was supposed to have weighed 26 lbs., so I'd think it would be somewhere around 30 lbs./14 kg.
 
What a great plan. A suitcase Norton. You will not be bored thinking about all bits and pieces you need in addition to getting a lot of the grunt clean up work done prior to suitcasing it. Part of the fun of a restoration is the hunting down the parts and planning then slowly executing the rebuild. If you have never riden a Norton, you are in for a serious treat when she is roadworthy. Great find. Great father /son project.
 
Great story. Before you throw away the seat, you might consider whether the pan is worth saving.

LAB,
Once again I am going to show my ignorance. What in the photo do you see that says MkIII frame?

Russ
 
Reminds me of all the British bikes my buddies and I rescued from oblivion on the Benue Plateau in the 1960's--my '62 Norton 650SS was still rasping around Francophone Africa at last report.

I hope you're taking pictures--this could be the basis for an NOC documentary on a worthy reverse-smuggling operation--like bringing an early King James edition of the Bible back into some mythical Orwellian Blighty for restoration and worship.

Every good wish



Tim Kraakevik
kraakevik@voyager.net
Three Commandos
 
rvich said:
LAB,
Once again I am going to show my ignorance. What in the photo do you see that says MkIII frame?


The MkIII frame seat lock retaining plate can be seen immediately to the rear of the upper shock mount (and there should be a hinge plate on the opposite side of the frame?). Apparently some late MkIIs were built with MkIII frames but they did not have the MkIII hinged and lockable seat.
 
Welcome, Mark!

Chop out the hubs and leave the rims and spokes behind. Easy. Definitely save the seat pan & foam.

TAKE PHOTOS OF THE VARIOUS SUITCASES STUFFED WITH PARTS!!! Best part of the story by far.

May as well stuff the cam drive gear and a handful of engine cover screws in your pockets next trip, eh? That sort of piecemeal carry won't affect your luggage tally.

You have landed in the absolute best spot for all the help and resources you will ever need with regards to Norton Commando (and other marques / models).

Get along now...
 
Carrying a Commando through airport security eh ? A good job it isn't a Combat as they are classed as IEDs by most government agencies on account of the fact that they can blow up anywhere ! :)

I've seen ex-Nigeria Interpols come back to the UK (and Bonnevilles). Some of them had done relatively few miles as they were taken off the road for very small faults quite early in their expected service life. This one has seen some civilian action though unless it was one of their covert surveillance bikes (if a Commando can be covert ? I doubt it 8) )
 
Did anyone ever find out who the dead guy is in Speirmoore's avatar, and if he had anything to do with the murder?
 
Having restored something that wasn't quite as bad ( the exhausts were kept indoors) but had been lightly crashed, I'd comment that rather than spending a fortune getting it back shiny in the UK, maybe you should think about just getting it running first while in Africa ? And figuring out what is worth taking back to the UK....

Unless the frame is rusty, whatever they were painted with - they weren't stoved - will usually allow you to just polish it up, like new. Did I read they were powdercoated, with one of the better ones ?

Having most of that rusty chrome polished and then just painted over with a good local paint will preserve it, and you can work on getting it running - and find out why it was parked. And sorting out the electrics.

The exhausts are toast, but could be painted over with high-heat paint - and find out how it runs - until you purchase new ones

Just a comment on the chrome - factory chrome was never triple plated (copper nickel chrome) but was just a heavy coat of chrome over new bare steel - which is why it doesn't last well out in the weather. You will never find copper under any factory chrome bits...

Cheers.
 
Great start and for a lot less than we'd pay for the same barn find over here.

Although you've already started disassembly and you already maybe doing so I highly recommend taking lots of photos especially closeups of every stage.

I took my bike down to the frame and it was two years before I got her back together (got cancer) and I was constantly using the photos and zooming in to confirm or figure out the correct bits and pieces and in what order they should go back to gether.

Bob
 
Yes you are right rx7171. This is the most photographed Norton in History.
Yesterday evening with a couple of bottles of Star beer I managed to get off the Oil tank, which is now being cleaned in Parafin and then dried.
I also managed to get off the alternator/ clutch and I am so glad that I had previously asked on this forum
( spanner-list-t6026.html ) for advice on what tools to purchase, as I purchased the tools after advice I got from illf8ed, L.A.B.,Diablouph, DogT, RonL, grandpaul and others.

To be honest I would not have even gotten this far without you guys. So thanks a lot as imperial tools are just not available over here and I have brought all these in from the UK.
So using the Haynes Manual and Old Britts instructions as a guide I managed to get clutch and alternator off without problems.
When I purchased the bike I knew that the outside casing was damaged and idly thought I would probably leave it as it was.


Laverda Man Finally Admits to Going Commando


However on stripping off the inner case and giving it a good clean I have found that the inner primary casing has also taken a slide on an abrasive surface and the alloy has been worn away as far down to the rubber seal that is within the casing ( and am not sure how bad a show stopper this might be). I could do with some advice here if there is some way that alloy can be added back and then smoothed down to form a correct shape. If this happens is a new rubber seal available for purchase? If it is possible to do this I will probably fix the outer casing as well. Your thoughts please and this is one problem I cant find an answer to on the Old Britts instructions or my Haynes Manual!!

Laverda Man Finally Admits to Going Commando


Laverda Man Finally Admits to Going Commando


As always Guys your advice gratefully received.
 
This is my 1st post on this forum as I am looking at acquiring another Norton after 27 yrs since I sold the Last.

I love what you ae doing.
This is the sort of find I would love to get my hands on.

I have been looking here in OZ but the prices for a basket case are not cost effecctive & am now looking a a beautiful MK11 850 that will just need regular maintenance & riding!

I thought I had done a good move on my dissassembled 69 750s Commando 29 yrs ago by moving it 100 miles in the boot/trunk of a borrowed car, but flying a bike back to the UK in pieces in your suit case is an absolute Gem. I love your work & wish you the absolute best with the mission.

I will follow your journey with interest.

Best Regards
Sweenz
 
marknorton said:
is some way that alloy can be added back and then smoothed down to form a correct shape.

Yes, it can be repaired using one of the alloy fusion welding kits, such as Lumiweld or HTS-2000. Alternatively, you should be able to get either new or secondhand primary cases easily enough?

http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp? ... 0(5%20rods)&gclid=CPv64pXyz6UCFVBO4QodBg2RlQ

http://www.aluminiumrepair.co.uk/hts2000.html


marknorton said:
If this happens is a new rubber seal available for purchase?

Gaskets, seals and the majority of other parts for your Commando are still available from Andover Norton: http://www.nortonmotors.de/ANIL/Norton% ... s-list.php

NORTON 850 - 1974
Item: CHAINCASE SEALING BAND
Part Number: 060398
Price: £2.35




marknorton said:
I cant find an answer to on the Old Britts instructions or my Haynes Manual!!


While the Haynes manual is adequate for most things, I suggest you also make use the factory manual: http://britmoto.com/manuals/Manuals/750_man.pdf
 
I got a US Triumph Bonneville back to the UK, it came in 5 boxes, 4 came via USPS overland (sadly no longer available to the UK) and only the frame would not meet the USPS size restrictions so it came via Fedex on its own and there was VAT to pay on the invoice value and shipping costs. The 4 USPS boxes came through with no charges which was not unusual, the air freight USPS not rarely gets through without being stung for VAT. The commodity code for vehicle parts over 25 years old is 0%, for complete vehicles its 8% hint hint.
 
Kommando:
Your hint received Lound 'n' Clear. UK Customs take a very over zealous look at all flights from Nigeria and so am expecting some 'questions' when the frame comes through on the luggage belt.
That will be January. This return trip next week will just take some of the heavier engine components and bits to make up to 25 kg.
 
Likely better to just buy another cover but be aware there are also plastic light weight ones sold by likes of Clubman Racer. The off the shelf Al fill in/repair products tend to be darker than plain Al in covers so obvious eye sore even if oil tight. My down dirty way would be JBWell then diddle for days/weeks to even up then paint and ride off with the wind.
 
Can any one advise on this?
I always thought that my bike was a Mk2 Commando but on further stripping tonight I see that it has what appears to be a spin on oil filter . I was not aware of any models having a spin on oil filter. Thoughts please.

Laverda Man Finally Admits to Going Commando


The picture is taken from just below where the Rear light unit would be towards the front of the bike and the underside of the swing arm is at the top of the picture. The Oil filter extends out beyond the underside of the swing arm, but the pipes to the oil filter appear to be factory made, and are correctly shaped to reach the oil filter from the engine, and Oil reservoir.

LAB feels the frame is a Mk3 due to I think the metal behind the shock absorber. Is this the holes as in below?

Laverda Man Finally Admits to Going Commando


In additon it has a Boyer Bransen electronic Micro MkIII unit ignition box that was so covered in dirt that I have only just seen it.

Can anyone shed any light on all this/ It really is a voyage of discovery for me. Could it actually be a MK3 Commando Interstate? All is so strange.

Thx Guys
 
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