Latest TriSpark EI

Derek Wilson said:

Okay, before you write me completely off as a brainless, ham-fisted hack, please install one of the new ones and get back to me.

Mind you, I find your confidence inspirational.

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Didn't mean to insult, just trying to be helpful.

marshg246 said:

Didn't mean to insult, just trying to be helpful.

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No worries - I editted my response

Compared to my original directional one I have had fitted for ages and a good many mile, the new ambidextrous version needed more rotation to get the led to illuminate despite accurate positioning of the rotor. However, I quickly refitted the original back on to what what looked like the original marks and surprisingly it also was slightly off to where it was originally, the careful positioning of the rotor seems to be the key.
The one version that I know of where it started but would not rev well, the air gap was just over 3mm. This kit is now running nicely on another Commando.
Why do some tighten the pillar post bolts to within an inch of their lives and crush the backplate, spotted today on one of the kits tested - I just nip mine up and not had them loosen.
The testing I did today gives a failure rate of 1 for all the kits I have sold (numerous) and half a dozen I have fitted (the one kit was fitted by its owner to a long standing bike that would hardly fire using a roller starter - it burnt out the stator suggesting problems elsewhere) which proves they must be fitted correctly, which for a MK3 is a doddle, but as I found out today accuracy is key, those using the scale in the primary cover and rotor mark may well end up having to slightly re-position the rotor if they are dead set on getting stator set mid slot for looks.
I use two 6v PVL coils, 14 Amp hour battery and Tri Spark rectifier, wire wound moulded HT leads, NGK Iridium plugs, so nothing different to what most other owners use. The loom is original, but I keep a check on it and the other thing to remember is that it is no point having the best wiring to the services and loads if the earth return path is neglected - always worth checking and cleaning earth connectors and ground positions.

I have never used a Trispark, but I know the position of the magnet on the rotor of my Boyer in relation to the pick-up, where the spark occurs. I set it up visually and if I get keen I strobe with as degree disc and timing light. I never use timing marks for anything.

Madnorton said:

Compared to my original directional one I have had fitted for ages and a good many mile, the new ambidextrous version needed more rotation to get the led to illuminate despite accurate positioning of the rotor. However, I quickly refitted the original back on to what what looked like the original marks and surprisingly it also was slightly off to where it was originally, the careful positioning of the rotor seems to be the key.
The one version that I know of where it started but would not rev well, the air gap was just over 3mm. This kit is now running nicely on another Commando.
Why do some tighten the pillar post bolts to within an inch of their lives and crush the backplate, spotted today on one of the kits tested - I just nip mine up and not had them loosen.
The testing I did today gives a failure rate of 1 for all the kits I have sold (numerous) and half a dozen I have fitted (the one kit was fitted by its owner to a long standing bike that would hardly fire using a roller starter - it burnt out the stator suggesting problems elsewhere) which proves they must be fitted correctly, which for a MK3 is a doddle, but as I found out today accuracy is key, those using the scale in the primary cover and rotor mark may well end up having to slightly re-position the rotor if they are dead set on getting stator set mid slot for looks.
I use two 6v PVL coils, 14 Amp hour battery and Tri Spark rectifier, wire wound moulded HT leads, NGK Iridium plugs, so nothing different to what most other owners use. The loom is original, but I keep a check on it and the other thing to remember is that it is no point having the best wiring to the services and loads if the earth return path is neglected - always worth checking and cleaning earth connectors and ground positions.

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It is not really that much of a bother for me, as I use a timing light to check it. The bike in question is running great with its new TriSpark and the owner is very pleased.

I know how I will fit the next one now

Gerard Rowley said:

Hi Mike I have called into see Steve Kelly at Trispark and discussed this issue of the initial timing set up with this latest Trispark Classic twin ignition system TRI 006.
If the correct instructions are used and followed the LED light will activate when the appropriate CW or AC marks Align, that is as long as you correctly align the rotor as per the instruction. The way they are manufactured and internal components positioned the LED light can only operate in the correct position ie CW or AC
Each Trispark unit manufactured is tested and run on a test rig before being packaged up and sent out to a customer. I have just fitted another one of these latest Trispark Classic twin units to a Commando and the light came on when it lined up with the AC
Steve said that we will make a video of us fitting one to a Commando and we will post the video on his website for peoples reference.

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Thanks Gerard,
Appreciate the reply.Let us know when the video is available. I have a TriSpark and like it but I can always use more knowledge.
Mike

Hi all, I am lost here... I have the TriSpark TRI-0005 unit with a mark within the "B CCW" square (not the "A CW" square to be clear here) which tells me I should map my counter clockwise Commando to "B". However, the instructions I am looking at map an "AC" to "A" and the "CW" to "B" which appears to be reversed.

Bike is exactly at 29BTDC (degree wheel confirmation) on compression stroke of left cylinder. Do I go with the "B" or the "A" on this TriSpark EI unit?

EDIT: Amazingly, the TriSpark docs dated April 2021 show a CW unit inserted into a Commando marked for "B."

Jdub said:

Hi all, I am lost here... I have the "A" and "B" unit and a legend on the face of the unit indicating "A CW" and "B CCW" which tells me to map my counter clockwise Commando to "B". However, the instructions I am looking at map an "AC" to "A" and the "CW" to "B" which appears to be reversed.

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Jdub said:

Hi all, I am lost here... I have the "A" and "B" unit and a legend on the face of the unit indicating "A CW" and "B CCW" which tells me to map my counter clockwise Commando to "B". However, the instructions I am looking at map an "AC" to "A" and the "CW" to "B" which appears to be reversed.

Bike is exactly at 29BTDC (degree wheel confirmation) on compression stroke of left cylinder. Do I go with the "B" or the "A" on this TriSpark EI unit?

EDIT: Put another way, did TriSpark screw up the markings on the earlier (my) unit, the later unit, or completely redesign this between models?

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Until last year, there was Tri-0005A (Clockwise) and Tri-0005B (Counter Clockwise) The manuals that shipped with them were correct. The new units are Tri-0006 and they can be use for all and the manuals shipped with them are correct.

Where did you get the Tri-0006 manual if you have a Tri-0005B?

If you need the Tri-0005 manual, you can get it here: https://www.trispark.com.au/assets/files/Classic Twin V3 Manual V3.pdf

If you need the Tri-0006 manual, you can get it here: https://www.trispark.com.au/assets/files/TRI-0006 Classic Twin Manual 2021.pdf

Note that the first batch of Tri-0006 had the marks too far apart but they match the manual and following the instruction to the letter you would end up just fine.

The current batches have the marks correct and they are quite a bit closer together.

If still confused, all me 703-200-4025.

I feel like Walter White using downloaded instructions for my M60 Cadillac installation...what could go wrong?

Okay, incorrect instructions but thought I could work through it. I have reviewed the earlier docs for the "B" unit and will mark stator plate to B silkscreen line and then line the magnets accordingly. Thank you for bearing with watching my brain work it can get ugly.

Hi,
I am a Tri-Spark fan, and I have been using the product for about 10 years, and have installed them on a few bikes. I found the installation very simple, and the EI always makes starting easy and reliable.
I was aware of the product change, where the TRI 0006 can be used for Counter Clockwise (Or anti clockwise as Tri-spark now calls it), or clockwise. I have been pulling my hair out with my most recent Tri-Spark Classic Twin 0006, as I could not set the timing. I finally realized what my problem was this morning after I found this thread and read Greg’s above post. It realized that there are two different sets of instructions for the TRI-006. The first revised set of instructions were in Sept 2021, (see below first picture), and a second set of revised instructions for TRI-006 in Sept 2023. Both revisions of instructions appear to represent the same TRI 006 unit, however both instructions have different static setting instructions. BUT>>>>THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE 2021 REVISIONS IN GREG'S ABOVE POST ARE NOT ON THE TRISPARK WEBSITE!!!! The link is live from Greg Marsh's above post, and it will bring you to the Tri-Spark website but you cannot navigate to the instructions from the Trispark website. I had been referencing the TRI 0006 instructions from the Trispark website, and could not get the bike to start setting the timing statically. It was only when I pulled my Trispark, noticed a date code scribed on the back (March 2022), and noticed the revision date on Greg Marsh's above Link (which is not posted on the Tri spark's website) did I put 2 and 2 together. I installed as per the TRI-0006 2021 revision statically, and it fired right up. I’m typically happy when I figure out a problem, but I’m just frustrated with Tri-spark for omitting to post their static timing instructions for their unit sold in 2022 on their website. I certainly don’t like their new instructions (which are “applicable to all Classic Twin TRI-0006 ignitions”) that refer to moving the stator 2 mm after the light goes out, and then using a strobe. Besides the fact that my bike would not with start statically following this new procedure, I feel the new procedure removes the ease and accuracy characteristics which made this a quality product. I hope some of my frustrations can help someone else struggling.

Hats off to Greg Marsh for the earlier post. I will now be able to actually ride my bike this weekend instead of trying to set the timing.




Greg's above Link for TRI - 0006 Manual Sept 2021, and worked for my TRI 0006 made in March 2022 **THIS CANNOT BE FOUND IF YOU GO TO THE INSTALLATIONS INSTRUCTIONS PAGE AT www.trispark.com**

https://www.trispark.com.au/assets/files/TRI-0006 Classic Twin Manual 2021.pdf



Link for TRI 0006 Manual currently on Trispark website (June 14, 2024) **THIS DID NOT WORK FOR MY TRI-0006 made in March 2022**



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gatsby said:

Hi,
I am a Tri-Spark fan, and I have been using the product for about 10 years, and have installed them on a few bikes. I found the installation very simple, and the EI always makes starting easy and reliable.
I was aware of the product change, where the TRI 0006 can be used for Counter Clockwise (Or anti clockwise as Tri-spark now calls it), or clockwise. I have been pulling my hair out with my most recent Tri-Spark Classic Twin 0006, as I could not set the timing. I finally realized what my problem was this morning after I found this thread and read Greg’s above post. It realized that there are two different sets of instructions for the TRI-006. The first revised set of instructions were in Sept 2021, (see below first picture), and a second set of revised instructions for TRI-006 in Sept 2023. Both revisions of instructions appear to represent the same TRI 006 unit, however both instructions have different static setting instructions. BUT>>>>THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE 2021 REVISIONS IN GREG'S ABOVE POST ARE NOT ON THE TRISPARK WEBSITE!!!! The link is live from Greg Marsh's above post, and it will bring you to the Tri-Spark website but you cannot navigate to the instructions from the Trispark website. I had been referencing the TRI 0006 instructions from the Trispark website, and could not get the bike to start setting the timing statically. It was only when I pulled my Trispark, noticed a date code scribed on the back (March 2022), and noticed the revision date on Greg Marsh's above Link (which is not posted on the Tri spark's website) did I put 2 and 2 together. I installed as per the TRI-0006 2021 revision statically, and it fired right up. I’m typically happy when I figure out a problem, but I’m just frustrated with Tri-spark for omitting to post their static timing instructions for their unit sold in 2022 on their website. I certainly don’t like their new instructions (which are “applicable to all Classic Twin TRI-0006 ignitions”) that refer to moving the stator 2 mm after the light goes out, and then using a strobe. Besides the fact that my bike would not with start statically following this new procedure, I feel the new procedure removes the ease and accuracy characteristics which made this a quality product. I hope some of my frustrations can help someone else struggling.

Hats off to Greg Marsh for the earlier post. I will now be able to actually ride my bike this weekend instead of trying to set the timing.




Greg's above Link for TRI - 0006 Manual Sept 2021, and worked for my TRI 0006 made in March 2022 **THIS CANNOT BE FOUND IF YOU GO TO THE INSTALLATIONS INSTRUCTIONS PAGE AT www.trispark.com**

https://www.trispark.com.au/assets/files/TRI-0006 Classic Twin Manual 2021.pdf
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Link for TRI 0006 Manual currently on Trispark website (June 14, 2024) **THIS DID NOT WORK FOR MY TRI-0006 made in March 2022**

https://www.trispark.com.au/assets/files/Classic%20Twin%200006%20Instructions%20V2.pdf

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See the attached replacement page 8 for the 2021 manual. If followed to the letter, the 2021 instructions work but the replacement page is better. The 2023 Instructions incorporate the change.



It is discussed here: https://www.trispark.com.au/blog/tri-spark-blog/important-bulletin-classic-twin-ignition-tri-0006/

When I sell a Tri-0006 kit with the 2021 instructions, I include a replacement page 8 and every Tri-Spark dealer was given this info so, IMHO, your rant should be about the seller, not Tri-Spark. If you have a Tri-0005 a or b, the instructions that came with it are correct.

Keep in mind that if your static timing is off 3 degree, the timing is off 6 degrees. That first mark in the instructions is critical in all versions and all versions work as instructed. I use the piece of plastic that comes withe the kit against the rotor and perpendicular to the two magnets, look through it to align the rotor. It is easy to be off 5-6 degrees which means 10-12. When I'm on my game, I'm, within 2 degree when strobed and often on the money - this was not true when just aligning by eye instead of looking through the plastic.

Finally, any "tricks" you developed with Tri-0005 will not work with Tri-0006 - drove me crazy until I relented and simply followed the instructions. The trigger circuit is different between the versions.

I HAVE NOT re-read this thread, just responding to the quoted post.

@marshg246
I agree that my problem was more of a communication issue with the seller, and is not a Trispark issue. I also see the role I played in my error as I threw out my paper instructions. Apples to apples, I like the older version better. I’m a creature of habit I guess. At least there is a happy ending to this story. I really value you input.
All the best,
Gatsby