1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Jap Bikes?

Discussion in 'Access Norton Pub' started by XTINCT, Apr 24, 2018.

  1. XTINCT

    XTINCT VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2012
    I would like to think that the use of the term "Jap Bikes" by members of this forum is not intended as a racial slur. From my interaction with forum members I can't imagine that anyone would be using this description in that manner.
    It should be made clear though that many find the term to be offensive and racist.
    It originated during the 2nd World War as a derogatory term.
    "Japanese bike" would be much more universally accepted.
     
    Tags:
  2. Peter R

    Peter R

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2010
    Jap bike is just short for japanese bikes, no offence intended imo.
     
  3. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Yes it’s a strange one, ‘Jap’ is seen as derogatory by many, as is ‘Paki’.

    But both are simply shortened words, no derogatory meaning at all.

    I’m not aware of any British people who take offence at being called Brit. Or any Scottish people that object to being called a Scot. Etc.

    But these days it’s rapidly become difficult to string a sentence together without offending one group or another. Often a group you didn’t even know existed!
     
    Welshrugby likes this.
  4. baz

    baz VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Nope all my mates and I have always used the term "Jap bikes" coz it's quicker than saying Japanese motorcycle no other reason
    Why do you ask?
     
  5. JimC

    JimC

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007

    You first two sentences are contradictory.

    Similar to saying some of your best friends are Japs.
     
  6. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    My wife is...

    But please tell me, why is a shortened word derogatory?

    There are many derogatory terms used for race. But I genuinely don’t understand why a simple shortened word is seen as such.
     
  7. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    I was once berated (by an American) for using the title Indian, to describe Indians.

    I was informed I should use the term Native American.

    Trouble is, I was referring to the citizens of India...
     
  8. 84ok

    84ok

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2014
  9. JimC

    JimC

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007

    If your wife is from Japan, would you describe her as being Japanese or a Jap?

    Here’s what Wikipedia has to say:

    Jap is an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese". Today it is generally regarded as an ethnic slur among Japanese minority populations in other countries, although English-speaking countries differ in the degree to which they consider the term offensive. In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term very controversial or extremely offensive, even when used as an abbreviation.[1] In the past, Jap was not considered primarily offensive; however, during and after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory.[2]
     
  10. 84ok

    84ok

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2014
    suggest the mods move the thread to an appropriate forum
     
  11. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    My wife used to find it offensive, until I asked her why. There are lots of derogatory terms used by Westerners for Orientals, largely as a result of the various wars I imagine. But this isn’t one, it’s simply a shortened word.

    I agree completely that in general, most people percieve it as derogatory, so, in general, I too avoid using it as I do not want to be seen as being derogatory.

    But my question, to you or anyone else, is still why is it perceived like this?

    Why is Jap derogatory and Brit not??

    Moreover, to the OPs question, why is Jap bike is seen as derogatory whilst Brit bike is not??

    I simply fail to see any logic in this.
     
  12. JimC

    JimC

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007

    Racism has no logic.
     
  13. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    I could not agree more.

    But that is an entirely separate point to the question I posed.
     
  14. kommando

    kommando

    Joined:
    May 7, 2005
    Perceived racism has no logic either.

    I am Irish and find Irish jokes very funny, the real joke being the best Irish jokes are written by the Irish but instead of the 'Irishman' its the 'man from Cork' that its about.
     
  15. 84ok

    84ok

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2014
    ~ 00:50 oops
     
  16. Gilesy

    Gilesy VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2017
    I'm not quite sure of the logic but 'Jap bike' seems OK but 'Paki shop' definitely isn't.
     
  17. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Well, if the answer is that there is no logic to it, then I guess we’re back where we started.

    I don’t suppose I was expecting any real ‘answer’ but one can try. I just genuinely find it ilogical that an abbreviation for one race is derogatory when an abbreviation for another is not.

    However, there is no escaping the fact that above video serves well to demonstrate that some words do sound derogatory, even when not intended!
     
  18. frankdamp

    frankdamp

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2005
    I refer to myself as an"ex-Pat Brit" which I don't consider derogatory in any way. For many years, British people in the UK have referred to all US people as "Yanks", not recognising that "Yankee" refers to people from a relatively small area of the US. They often can't tell the difference between a US accent and a Canadian one, so both nationalities are often called "Yanks".
     
  19. JimC

    JimC

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Race and nationality are distinctly different.
     
  20. concours

    concours VIP MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2011
Loading...