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The final sentence reads “But a report card found that fewer that one per cent of known Oregon drug users – about 136 people – ever opted to enter rehab in the post-decriminalization era”.

So the evidence is in… decriminalisation does NOT lead to people seeking help and ‘solving’ the societal problem.

Therefore there must be another motive, political point scoring, cost saving by reducing police time involved, etc?
 
The final sentence reads “But a report card found that fewer that one per cent of known Oregon drug users – about 136 people – ever opted to enter rehab in the post-decriminalization era”.

So the evidence is in… decriminalisation does NOT lead to people seeking help and ‘solving’ the societal problem.

Therefore there must be another motive, political point scoring, cost saving by reducing police time involved, etc?
They seem intent to dumb down the population...and the killing power of Fentanyl has proven to be effective
 
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The opioid crisis spiraled to terrifying new depths: Opioid overdoses took the lives of more than 80,000 people in 2021, making it the deadliest year ever. Fentanyl played a role in 88% of these deaths.
 
It probably can't be any worse than the great War on Drugs that started in the 1960s and continues today. Drug use and deaths have vastly increased in that time. Clearly does not work. Just results in record numbers of people in prison, which is the world's best training school for hardened criminals.
 
Folks in East side of Vancouver been dropping dead like flies for years , they had to try a new/different approach …. not saying I agree …. in the Forrest service they do preventive controlled burns in susceptible areas , from all reports, it a positive activity ….
 
It probably can't be any worse than the great War on Drugs that started in the 1960s and continues today. Drug use and deaths have vastly increased in that time. Clearly does not work. Just results in record numbers of people in prison, which is the world's best training school for hardened criminals.
"vastly increased" is a relative term.

Have you plotted drug USE growth against drug DEATHS? Drugs are DEFINITELY getting deadlier (plotted against use), and use has INCREASED due to lax "laws", lack of enforcement, and elimination of penalties.

The Law of Unintended Consequences does not apply, because the RESULT of politicians intentions is planned.
 
"vastly increased" is a relative term.

Have you plotted drug USE growth against drug DEATHS? Drugs are DEFINITELY getting deadlier (plotted against use), and use has INCREASED due to lax "laws", lack of enforcement, and elimination of penalties.

The Law of Unintended Consequences does not apply, because the RESULT of politicians intentions is planned.
One of my most fascinating reads.
I loaned to someone, forgot who...
 
"vastly increased" is a relative term.

Have you plotted drug USE growth against drug DEATHS? Drugs are DEFINITELY getting deadlier (plotted against use), and use has INCREASED due to lax "laws", lack of enforcement, and elimination of penalties.

The Law of Unintended Consequences does not apply, because the RESULT of politicians intentions is planned.

What lax laws? The US has the world's highest percentage of its population in prison, about half of them for drugs charges. Clearly no lax laws, penalties or enforcement there, overall. Yet the use of drugs and resulting deaths continue to increase. Clearly, locking people up for drugs at a world record rate does not work.
 

PERSPECTIVE​

Cassandra L. Reyes

Dr. Marc Howard is a professor of government and law and the founding director of the Prisons and Justice Initiative at Georgetown University. He received his BA in ethics, politics, and economics from Yale University, his MA and PhD in political science from the University of California, Berkeley, and his JD from Georgetown University.
After becoming a professor, Dr. Howard began visiting a childhood friend, Marty Tankleff, who was wrongfully convicted of killing his mother and attempting to kill his father, resulting in a sentence of 50 years to life in prison. These visits ended up changing the course of Dr. Howard’s life, as he dedicated himself to helping overturn Tankleff’s wrongful conviction, including going to law school to help his friend. Eventually, Tankleff was exonerated, which Dr. Howard describes as one of the best moments of his life.
Dr. Howard is also the founder and president of the Frederick Douglass Project for Justice, which aims to create a multi-state prison visitation program that enables people to visit local correctional facilities and engage in face-to-face conversations with the incarcerated, with the ultimate goal of driving meaningful personal and systemic change.

WHY ARE SO MANY AMERICANS INCARCERATED?​

Dr. Howard addresses this question in his book, Unusually Cruel: Prisons, Punishment, and the Real American Exceptionalism. He breaks down the answer into four main factors.

Race​

We are all aware that a disproportionate number of Black Americans are incarcerated in the U.S., but do you know to what degree? While one in 17 white men in the U.S. will be imprisoned in their lifetime, one in three Black men will spend time behind bars.
A major driving force behind this vast disparity is racial profiling by police. Black individuals are far more likely than whites to be pulled over by the police while driving. They also are more likely to be detained, handcuffed, and searched. So it’s no surprise that studies show that Black people are arrested at a rate five times higher than white people.
Once they are arrested, Black men are also more likely to be convicted, and once convicted, they are more likely to face stiff sentences than their white counterparts.
“The race issue has to do with the evolution from slavery to convict leasing to Jim Crow laws and then ultimately mass incarceration,” Dr. Howard said. (“Convict leasing” refers to the post-Civil War system in which southern states leased prisoners to private railways, mines, and large plantations.)
“There have been long-standing attempts to keep African Americans down and subjugated in American history. Mass incarceration is the latest form of that.”
There is some good news, though. Between 2000 to 2016, the ratio of Black offenders “under the supervision of criminal justice (in prison, in jail, on probation or on parole)” to white offenders shrank from 8.3-to-1 to 5.1-to-1, according to a study by the Council on Criminal Justice.
There is no one cause behind this improvement, and even experts can only speculate about why. It could be partly due to the fact that the war on drugs has shifted its focus from crack and marijuana to meth and opioids.
Regardless, the ratio is still nowhere near parity, but a marginal improvement. There is still a lot of work to do in the effort to dismantle systemic racism within our justice system.

Religion​

Dr. Howard also highlights Christianity’s influence on our criminal justice system. In the U.S., areas with higher rates of incarceration overlap with places characterized by homogenous Christianity.
Research suggests that the type of religion that is most prevalent in an area impacts sentencing decisions. For example, one study found that judges in Georgia affiliated with conservative Protestant denominations were less likely to grant probation.
“[The element of] religion started in the 1970s when the evangelical movement became very politicized. Previously, religion was sort of a private sphere separate from politics, but it became very much part of politics as a result of Roe vs. Wade and other battles,” Dr. Howard said. “It then became this notion of ‘an eye for an eye.’”
Religious fundamentalists source their “tough on crime” ideals from the wrathful version of God portrayed in the Old Testament.
“If you think about Christianity and Jesus’ teachings, the message is so much more about love and support, but the way in which that message has come across in recent decades has been very, very harsh and punitive,” Dr. Howard said. “And it also overlaps with race because it’s especially white evangelicals who are the harshest on criminal justice issues.”

Politics​

“The U.S. is the only country in the world that elects prosecutors and judges. It’s something that’s incomprehensible to other parts of the world,” Dr. Howard said. “Essentially, prosecutors and judges are political animals. They are raising funds, campaigning for a political party, trying to win elections, and running ads.”
In recent years, it’s been shown that 50-60 percent of political donations for key judicial positions come from lawyers, lobbyists, and business interests.
“Normally, in other countries, it would be part of a separate judicial decision-making process, but in the U.S., it’s really very political,” Dr. Howard said.
In most other parts of the world, prosecutors and judges are appointed by an executive branch official. While some think of our electoral process of choosing prosecutors as democratic, it unfortunately contributes to our mass incarceration problem. This is because “tough on crime” policies are popular among voters—and prosecutors know it.
Prosecutors are nearly 10 percent more likely to take a case to trial instead of seeking a plea bargain in the year before they for reelection according to a recent study. If the prosecutor is running in a contested election, the likelihood increases by another 15 percent. Another study found that just before election time, judges sentenced defendants from 12 to 16 months longer.

Business​

“The prison-industrial complex is an $85 billion a year business. At every stage, there are people making money off of a system that requires more and more people in prison and staying there. So it’s very hard to undo that system when it has such strong vested interests,” Dr. Howard said.
At least 37 states have legalized the contracting of prison labor by private corporations. There are 4,100 corporations engaged in the prison-industrial complex, some of which support prison labor directly through their supply chains—including IBM, Boeing, Motorola, Microsoft, AT&T, Dell, Honeywell, Intel, Nordstrom, Revlon, Macy’s, Target, and many more.
“Foodservice provides the equivalent of $4 billion of [prison] food annually. Private companies provide about half of the at least $12.3 billion spent on healthcare. Telephone companies, which can charge as much as $25 for a 15-minute call, rake in $1.3 billion,” Insider reported.
These companies have a vested interest in keeping prisons full. Over the last 10 years, the private prison industry has spent $64 million lobbying our elected officials for longer sentences, stricter laws, and tougher enforcement.
 
Well, it's legal in Amsterdam and they apparently still have and illegal drug problem. this fentanyl is so damned potent! why anyone is fooling around with it is Nutz with a capital N for sure. There have always been people who want to disappear into booze or whatever. Relaxed laws just allow people to spread it earlier and earlier to young people who might never have tried it if it weren't around them during their teenage years. I'm scared to death about it in relation to my young kids (4 girls and 2 boys). It's not as big a problem here in Japan where I'm currently living- buts it is here. I mean this is not like smoking a joint back in the 60's or 70's. this is straight up dangerous, and the Chinese know it. I believe they are flooding the world with it, for two reasons. revenge for the opium trade years ago, which brought havoc on their people, and also for a way to give us something else to have to deal kind of like a distraction, with while they try and take over as world leaders. They are hell bent on trying IMHO. I'm not sure this can be discussed without politics entering into the discussion. Anyway, I think it's best to try and teach or impart a sense of self-worth into your kids , so they love life and go after meaningful goals and avoid the pit falls of this insidious life ruiner. (certainly easier said than done i realize that but.....that's what I'm trying with my kids- luckily team sports has taken a front seat in my house) Cj
 
Well, it's legal in Amsterdam and they apparently still have and illegal drug problem. this fentanyl is so damned potent! why anyone is fooling around with it is Nutz with a capital N for sure. There have always been people who want to disappear into booze or whatever. Relaxed laws just allow people to spread it earlier and earlier to young people who might never have tried it if it weren't around them during their teenage years. I'm scared to death about it in relation to my young kids (4 girls and 2 boys). It's not as big a problem here in Japan where I'm currently living- buts it is here. I mean this is not like smoking a joint back in the 60's or 70's. this is straight up dangerous, and the Chinese know it. I believe they are flooding the world with it, for two reasons. revenge for the opium trade years ago, which brought havoc on their people, and also for a way to give us something else to have to deal kind of like a distraction, with while they try and take over as world leaders. They are hell bent on trying IMHO. I'm not sure this can be discussed without politics entering into the discussion. Anyway, I think it's best to try and teach or impart a sense of self-worth into your kids , so they love life and go after meaningful goals and avoid the pit falls of this insidious life ruiner. (certainly easier said than done i realize that but.....that's what I'm trying with my kids- luckily team sports has taken a front seat in my house) Cj
In this digital woke wacko world... Sport /fitness is great natural stimulate for a growing young mind...generally learning to work as a relied apon team member all out to achieve a self rewarding result on "Saturday" can help build future leaders....imo
 
I would offer one of the the contributing reasons we have a drug problem, is people have way too much idle time, fostered by the notion that able bodied young people are to be coddled ( by parents and society) and therefore have time/funding/boredom.
Tragically, they are conditioned to be layabouts, and are sorely missing the idea they are required to support themselves/family.
 
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