Failed burn out in open
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Carbonfibre said:
Being able to keep a bike upright with a locked front wheel can be a rather useful talent. You may be right about some people on here not wanting to, or more likely not being able to imitate Hobots lunacy, an actual Commando is first required!
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Exactly what I thought as well. It certainly wasn't the speed :!: (regarding his crash video)GRM 450 said:
Some guys enjoy(ed) pushing their Norton to the limit and some don't. Obviously you never did.1up3down said:
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As for beating up on new sportbikes, remember it's not the bike you have to beat, it's the rider.
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I do apologize if you feel assaulted but as this topic concerns Hobots way of pushing his bike to the limit than if 'one never ever crashed or gone down in 45 years' either you don't push your bike to the limit or you do and your name is Rossi. No offence.1up3down said:
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nortonspeed said:
the limit eh?
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Rossi was one of the multitude that ended up on his arse yesterday ! I thought they were generally rather careless & exciteable . excuses excuses etc .
Hortons Norton said:One needs to be totally committed to the burn out, when you come to the point of needing to pull this off for whatever reason?
1) Be sure rpm's are at least 6,000
2) Be sure clutch is in proper adjustment.
3) Be sure you have a clear path in front of you of at least 100 yds.
4) Be sure you stilll want to do this.
5) Do as Debby said and stand up.
6) Be sure you have a firm grip and dump the clutch!
7) If it hooks up as it heats up , hang on .
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Matt Spencer said:7) If it hooks up as it heats up , hang on .
LOL That's what the 100 yds. are for. We used to do that kinda thing back in the 70's, Now I think about what things cost. Like tickets. :cry:
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Hehe, Heckle me all's ya like, I know what i'm doing even if yo'all don't yet. I've been a non rider for over 2 yrs till Trixie recovered the 4th time this late spring, so still in warm up phases of getting my sea legs back under me, ugh or over my head. If you can't accept that my get off was mild held peg dragging - I didn't know the road rise could pogo peg w/o going fast or furious or hitting loose stuff, then oh well, I'm the one that's got to know the truth of the matter or get to repeat at speed, which I know ole Trixie ain't up to with me on her. Slow speed stunts is all I dare on her and leave racing a factory C'do to fit experts.
Front tire is the one Trixie came with from New Orleans so not quite Bakelite [I've a fetish for Art Deco Bakelite],
more like weathered to silver barn wood. I've another newer style $10 tire from Barber's swamp meet 2 yr ago to put on when current one shows cords to reveal deeper issues on my mind than flats or resisting a burn out on pavement. On Trixie I can only practice take offs on locked front, as she's just a regular C'do, on Ms Peel I routinely tried to stoppie here, only to end up sliding locked 1/4 way across square. Shocked bikers often ran up close yelling I've LOCKED FRONT. Scared me too but same effort to stop for cattle over a Gravel crest. Ms Peel got to slow up rather securer too. I flat can not-could not get thrown over bars of tract Ninja or my SV650, poor stoppie-prone things. Ms Peel was dangerous to panic stop on w/o butt strapped down. Just would not lift rear much. I detest stoppies and wheelies as unwanted interference to full loads.
Anywho thought it smarter to test out front's resistance on my terms before clutch release wearing only sunshades. Don't you? I even put the bald rear on the only patch of grit on the square and front still wouldn't hold w/o risking a flying leap of fate. I'm a bit scared of all this yet so working up my nerve on my ordinary Commando, so I never do crash in a real turning contest.
I've popped rears on long long long burn outs on my SV650 drawing smiley faces inside shop and on cement and asphalt. Basically bring near redline and just let go clutch and grab WOT while holding brake with least weight on rear. I'm glad to know a few others have wasted a tire this way. I think its cheating to bump front against something to do this. Don't know what vintage rally's you are attending but this is standard wee hours disturbance at Lake of the Pines. Usually centered in the Harley area. I don't wet surfaces to burn out myself but Harley camp poured beer on a plank to get their loud jollies off against a pine tree. Even a side car joined in and so would I but rear was already on last legs 500 miles from home.
Alas I've no defense on not knowing my limits, so exploring that fast as I can, [again], this time with a camera man to share my shameful highlights. Its both annoying yet revealing to me to read the attempts to confuse hobot's past antics on Ms Peel with a poor ole common floppy ear'd factory Combat.
Trixie owes her life to me, saved from certain death by hurricane Katrina, so she's enslaved to me now. Trixie gets mild loads its Ms Peel I will spur on.
I only wish I'd had serious to deadly level competition for reality checks instead of just making it all up to waste so much time and money on stilly Ms Peel. I'm exposed now so please point me to the race pilots that straight steer at speed on spun tire and never ever trail brake. Can't do that if some 'puter box cuts power just when ya need it to transition into next higher phase of matter x E squared. Got to be able to ride right though a counter steering crash to get to next orbit. Awaiting reports of the next two imaginary higher ones tolerated by elite bikes.
Spent a lot of yesterday trying my best Not To Slide front on Rocky Gravel steeps and twists into a river valley almost 2000 ft decent. Lack of grip was felt deep into the groin joint to increase the athletic sense. Its was beautiful day today too, so just got back off Trixie w/o any events to earn more shame on.
BTW to get a photo of the valley road I pulled onto new Gravel barely able to get mild enough angle for side stand, on leaving was as if pure marbles, any tire load at all just spun in place, even being warmed up on rear grip sense from the play on our square and digging slowly into soft sand. Ugh been there before in snow bowls and Gravel ditches, nothing for it but carefully let er spin [w/o tripping out] till rear weather vanes by gravity enough to face best straight on traction trust till we slowly climbed a bike length back onto firm tarmac. That didn't strain me as its practice of what ya gotta do at the end of counter steering limits to get the vectored trust of straight steering... no drifting - no Sir Ree Bob.
Was gonna dig in and step off - but stalled on something solid to learn ya can't shift to N to restart until rolled out of the hole.
Front tire is the one Trixie came with from New Orleans so not quite Bakelite [I've a fetish for Art Deco Bakelite],
more like weathered to silver barn wood. I've another newer style $10 tire from Barber's swamp meet 2 yr ago to put on when current one shows cords to reveal deeper issues on my mind than flats or resisting a burn out on pavement. On Trixie I can only practice take offs on locked front, as she's just a regular C'do, on Ms Peel I routinely tried to stoppie here, only to end up sliding locked 1/4 way across square. Shocked bikers often ran up close yelling I've LOCKED FRONT. Scared me too but same effort to stop for cattle over a Gravel crest. Ms Peel got to slow up rather securer too. I flat can not-could not get thrown over bars of tract Ninja or my SV650, poor stoppie-prone things. Ms Peel was dangerous to panic stop on w/o butt strapped down. Just would not lift rear much. I detest stoppies and wheelies as unwanted interference to full loads.
Anywho thought it smarter to test out front's resistance on my terms before clutch release wearing only sunshades. Don't you? I even put the bald rear on the only patch of grit on the square and front still wouldn't hold w/o risking a flying leap of fate. I'm a bit scared of all this yet so working up my nerve on my ordinary Commando, so I never do crash in a real turning contest.
I've popped rears on long long long burn outs on my SV650 drawing smiley faces inside shop and on cement and asphalt. Basically bring near redline and just let go clutch and grab WOT while holding brake with least weight on rear. I'm glad to know a few others have wasted a tire this way. I think its cheating to bump front against something to do this. Don't know what vintage rally's you are attending but this is standard wee hours disturbance at Lake of the Pines. Usually centered in the Harley area. I don't wet surfaces to burn out myself but Harley camp poured beer on a plank to get their loud jollies off against a pine tree. Even a side car joined in and so would I but rear was already on last legs 500 miles from home.
Alas I've no defense on not knowing my limits, so exploring that fast as I can, [again], this time with a camera man to share my shameful highlights. Its both annoying yet revealing to me to read the attempts to confuse hobot's past antics on Ms Peel with a poor ole common floppy ear'd factory Combat.
Trixie owes her life to me, saved from certain death by hurricane Katrina, so she's enslaved to me now. Trixie gets mild loads its Ms Peel I will spur on.
I only wish I'd had serious to deadly level competition for reality checks instead of just making it all up to waste so much time and money on stilly Ms Peel. I'm exposed now so please point me to the race pilots that straight steer at speed on spun tire and never ever trail brake. Can't do that if some 'puter box cuts power just when ya need it to transition into next higher phase of matter x E squared. Got to be able to ride right though a counter steering crash to get to next orbit. Awaiting reports of the next two imaginary higher ones tolerated by elite bikes.
Spent a lot of yesterday trying my best Not To Slide front on Rocky Gravel steeps and twists into a river valley almost 2000 ft decent. Lack of grip was felt deep into the groin joint to increase the athletic sense. Its was beautiful day today too, so just got back off Trixie w/o any events to earn more shame on.
BTW to get a photo of the valley road I pulled onto new Gravel barely able to get mild enough angle for side stand, on leaving was as if pure marbles, any tire load at all just spun in place, even being warmed up on rear grip sense from the play on our square and digging slowly into soft sand. Ugh been there before in snow bowls and Gravel ditches, nothing for it but carefully let er spin [w/o tripping out] till rear weather vanes by gravity enough to face best straight on traction trust till we slowly climbed a bike length back onto firm tarmac. That didn't strain me as its practice of what ya gotta do at the end of counter steering limits to get the vectored trust of straight steering... no drifting - no Sir Ree Bob.
Was gonna dig in and step off - but stalled on something solid to learn ya can't shift to N to restart until rolled out of the hole.
Hello hobot,
I don't mean to put shit on you.,,,,but to have a front tyre that has no grip and can skid that easily on tar (bitumin) is asking for a fall. I know you ride on dirt and THE gravel, but you also ride on bitumin. Most good tyres should have stalled your engine before they would slide with the front wheel locked like yours did.
Buy a new front tyre! you can sometimes get away with a rear letting go but not a front.
Tread has very little to do with grip on "dry" bitumin (as you would know) but tyre compound is everything.
Bakerlite has no grip on bitumin as you have proved.
Take it off, polish it up and hang it on your wall. (if you can get it off without cutting it off)
I have your interest at heart.
graeme
I don't mean to put shit on you.,,,,but to have a front tyre that has no grip and can skid that easily on tar (bitumin) is asking for a fall. I know you ride on dirt and THE gravel, but you also ride on bitumin. Most good tyres should have stalled your engine before they would slide with the front wheel locked like yours did.
Buy a new front tyre! you can sometimes get away with a rear letting go but not a front.
Tread has very little to do with grip on "dry" bitumin (as you would know) but tyre compound is everything.
Bakerlite has no grip on bitumin as you have proved.
Take it off, polish it up and hang it on your wall. (if you can get it off without cutting it off)
I have your interest at heart.
graeme
Hobo T, looks like the post of the successful burn out has water or something making the back tire wet. I did it a couple of times on my old CB750F that had some work done to it. As i recall i was pretty nervous the first time. I always had my right foot planted firmly on the peg just in case it hooked up. But like others here said you gotta get the revs up before you dump that clutch. That honda had a pretty heavy lump up front though, so that probably helped too. I would be thinking about the cost to replace the gear box these days, but might not be too bad (depends on how much you have to spend), I think it's been said that TT industries makes a good one. Cj
P.S. +1 for get a brand new front tire, not just new to you.
P.S. +1 for get a brand new front tire, not just new to you.
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Whats the exact point of doing burn outs on a rough old Norton, which would get shut down by any stock modern 600 if it was ever taken to a drag strip?
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The factory build 850 theres a few details on on Rons tripe on links , ran 10 .5 .Main problems getting out of the hole .
Hed switgh to a 4.25 18 TT 1oo for TRACTION . like Traction Engines , Er . The Circuit records on the ( I thought hideous )
Road runners , they surformed the sides flat . Trigonic like . Blah. blah .
Now , I think a old Pirreli 4.00 x 19 might be the go Young Stepen . Was going to Metion the dress code to these ruffians .
see the Tour post , standards have slipped . Shirt & Tie , from now on , everyone .Long ago enough to not incriminate
myself , and was totally inadvertant .
trundling at the usual 70 to Tech . We hit the stalled out traffic at the wooden overbridge , or before .On a foul wet
Auckland winters morning . Fudge , swing it onto the pea gravel , alongside the three lanes , by the inner harbour .
Dump it in second at 40 and drop the clutch toying with the throttle lets it spin up to relieve the fustration . After 50 Yds
I become aware that ' the vibe ' isnt all peace and happyness .
Glanceing back over the shoulder theres a 40 Ft. plus rooster tail for the fifty yds , Throttle shut you can hear it all distributeing itself over the first row of cars and the slurry drifting over the three lanes , with the gentle onshore Sea
Breeze .
:shock: :? 
.
Exit Stage right , back through the traffic .
I would actually stick to the SV for that sort of thing , essentially its tearing the guts out of it .
Though , if you insist , closed roads where theres no risk to outsiders .Like a Drag Strip .
Generraly tend to avoid them , but Id use ' the bottom of the cam ' getting it of the line .
Country car clubs often have ' Sprint days ' on a closed road , where your just agaist the watch.
Brighton Car Club , its the Anual ' Brighton Pier ' . Cars & Bikes . Where the odd person drops theres Maserati or GT40s guts on the Promenade , as its a One Kilometer sprint .Usually about (or good , under ), 20 seconds ,
The worked 186 Holden in the Chrysler hardtop , youd hold 300 letting in the clutch.having warmed the tyres .
were road / circuit race ones, L.S.D. . If you got it out clear and didnt bog , youd hold 4000 till shifting at a staggering 5000 , get it right and itd spin in the beginning of second . for 16.9 @ 81 mph. 
:?
What the thousand year old 1951 A10 BSA did at the Wangarei car club sprint. The 61 Bonnie did 14.4 @ 90 odd
but was r..ted.As the ' Farm Boy ' used to drive it at the limit and itd done 25000 on the back roads , no filters. No bite in clutch , bogging and revving short .pulling it down a few weeks later ,Main Bearings slack , some rings in 20 pieces , A 20 though feeler guage would go down the side of the piston .But shed earned her keep previously .
A Comp bikes best kept in fine fettle , for the Comps. Sort of an Honourable Retirement . :wink:
The pirreli dirt track tyre would chunk and go to pieces on tarmack, and a hideous road tyre on a Commando, but no
was the K 70 OK on the A10 Perrili squired and rolled on bumpy tarmac back roads. Theyve sealed the lot now .
Second hand ( low budget ! ) road runners were sick , continentals leathal. Tricks up there sleaves.Tyres are like Helmets
if second hand , get undamadged race quality ones . A tyre wrapped round the swing arm wouldnt be a joke .
Anyone got a copy off the ' Hop Up ' artical on the Pommy 10.5 Sec 850 , The other thing 10:1 C.R. was the 100 Octane 5 star fuel days , or 98 leaded used 9.5 really.The old T100 built in 1960 ran 7 1/4 :1 which equates with the 80 Octane pump fuel then .
No problem running race fuel or methanol , on a Track . Gets a bit awkward on the street, and a Engine built for it will
cough out hopeless on pump gas . I think 9:1 is about right for a Commando these days.Max. for touring / street .
Check out the local car clubs for closed road meetings , Hillclimbs and the like .A bit more relaxing atmosphere generally .
And often usefull contacts machineary / knowledge wise .
Hed switgh to a 4.25 18 TT 1oo for TRACTION . like Traction Engines , Er . The Circuit records on the ( I thought hideous )
Road runners , they surformed the sides flat . Trigonic like . Blah. blah .
Now , I think a old Pirreli 4.00 x 19 might be the go Young Stepen . Was going to Metion the dress code to these ruffians .
see the Tour post , standards have slipped . Shirt & Tie , from now on , everyone .Long ago enough to not incriminate
myself , and was totally inadvertant .
trundling at the usual 70 to Tech . We hit the stalled out traffic at the wooden overbridge , or before .On a foul wet
Auckland winters morning . Fudge , swing it onto the pea gravel , alongside the three lanes , by the inner harbour .
Dump it in second at 40 and drop the clutch toying with the throttle lets it spin up to relieve the fustration . After 50 Yds
I become aware that ' the vibe ' isnt all peace and happyness .
Glanceing back over the shoulder theres a 40 Ft. plus rooster tail for the fifty yds , Throttle shut you can hear it all distributeing itself over the first row of cars and the slurry drifting over the three lanes , with the gentle onshore Sea
Breeze .
:shock: :? .Exit Stage right , back through the traffic .
I would actually stick to the SV for that sort of thing , essentially its tearing the guts out of it .
Though , if you insist , closed roads where theres no risk to outsiders .Like a Drag Strip .
Generraly tend to avoid them , but Id use ' the bottom of the cam ' getting it of the line .
Country car clubs often have ' Sprint days ' on a closed road , where your just agaist the watch.
Brighton Car Club , its the Anual ' Brighton Pier ' . Cars & Bikes . Where the odd person drops theres Maserati or GT40s guts on the Promenade , as its a One Kilometer sprint .Usually about (or good , under ), 20 seconds ,
The worked 186 Holden in the Chrysler hardtop , youd hold 300 letting in the clutch.having warmed the tyres .
were road / circuit race ones, L.S.D. . If you got it out clear and didnt bog , youd hold 4000 till shifting at a staggering 5000 , get it right and itd spin in the beginning of second . for 16.9 @ 81 mph.
:? What the thousand year old 1951 A10 BSA did at the Wangarei car club sprint. The 61 Bonnie did 14.4 @ 90 odd
but was r..ted.As the ' Farm Boy ' used to drive it at the limit and itd done 25000 on the back roads , no filters. No bite in clutch , bogging and revving short .pulling it down a few weeks later ,Main Bearings slack , some rings in 20 pieces , A 20 though feeler guage would go down the side of the piston .But shed earned her keep previously .
A Comp bikes best kept in fine fettle , for the Comps. Sort of an Honourable Retirement . :wink:
The pirreli dirt track tyre would chunk and go to pieces on tarmack, and a hideous road tyre on a Commando, but no
was the K 70 OK on the A10 Perrili squired and rolled on bumpy tarmac back roads. Theyve sealed the lot now .
Second hand ( low budget ! ) road runners were sick , continentals leathal. Tricks up there sleaves.Tyres are like Helmets
if second hand , get undamadged race quality ones . A tyre wrapped round the swing arm wouldnt be a joke .
Anyone got a copy off the ' Hop Up ' artical on the Pommy 10.5 Sec 850 , The other thing 10:1 C.R. was the 100 Octane 5 star fuel days , or 98 leaded used 9.5 really.The old T100 built in 1960 ran 7 1/4 :1 which equates with the 80 Octane pump fuel then .
No problem running race fuel or methanol , on a Track . Gets a bit awkward on the street, and a Engine built for it will
cough out hopeless on pump gas . I think 9:1 is about right for a Commando these days.Max. for touring / street .
Check out the local car clubs for closed road meetings , Hillclimbs and the like .A bit more relaxing atmosphere generally .
And often usefull contacts machineary / knowledge wise .
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Matt Spencer said:The factory build 850 theres a few details on on Rons tripe on links , ran 10 .5 .Main problems getting out of the hole .
Hed switgh to a 4.25 18 TT 1oo for TRACTION . like Traction Engines , Er . The Circuit records on the ( I thought hideous )
Road runners , they surformed the sides flat . Trigonic like . Blah. blah .
Now , I think a old Pirreli 4.00 x 19 might be the go Young Stepen . Was going to Metion the dress code to these ruffians .
see the Tour post , standards have slipped . Shirt & Tie , from now on , everyone .Long ago enough to not incriminate
myself , and was totally inadvertant .
trundling at the usual 70 to Tech . We hit the stalled out traffic at the wooden overbridge , or before .On a foul wet
Auckland winters morning . Fudge , swing it onto the pea gravel , alongside the three lanes , by the inner harbour .
Dump it in second at 40 and drop the clutch toying with the throttle lets it spin up to relieve the fustration . After 50 Yds
I become aware that ' the vibe ' isnt all peace and happyness .
Glanceing back over the shoulder theres a 40 Ft. plus rooster tail for the fifty yds , Throttle shut you can hear it all distributeing itself over the first row of cars and the slurry drifting over the three lanes , with the gentle onshore Sea
Breeze .
Exit Stage right , back through the traffic .
I would actually stick to the SV for that sort of thing , essentially its tearing the guts out of it .
Though , if you insist , closed roads where theres no risk to outsiders .Like a Drag Strip .
Generraly tend to avoid them , but Id use ' the bottom of the cam ' getting it of the line .
Country car clubs often have ' Sprint days ' on a closed road , where your just agaist the watch.
Brighton Car Club , its the Anual ' Brighton Pier ' . Cars & Bikes . Where the odd person drops theres Maserati or GT40s guts on the Promenade , as its a One Kilometer sprint .Usually about (or good , under ), 20 seconds ,
The worked 186 Holden in the Chrysler hardtop , youd hold 300 letting in the clutch.having warmed the tyres .
were road / circuit race ones, L.S.D. . If you got it out clear and didnt bog , youd hold 4000 till shifting at a staggering 5000 , get it right and itd spin in the beginning of second . for 16.9 @ 81 mph.
What the thousand year old 1951 A10 BSA did at the Wangarei car club sprint. The 61 Bonnie did 14.4 @ 90 odd
but was r..ted.As the ' Farm Boy ' used to drive it at the limit and itd done 25000 on the back roads , no filters. No bite in clutch , bogging and revving short .pulling it down a few weeks later ,Main Bearings slack , some rings in 20 pieces , A 20 though feeler guage would go down the side of the piston .But shed earned her keep previously .
A Comp bikes best kept in fine fettle , for the Comps. Sort of an Honourable Retirement . :wink:
The pirreli dirt track tyre would chunk and go to pieces on tarmack, and a hideous road tyre on a Commando, but no
was the K 70 OK on the A10 Perrili squired and rolled on bumpy tarmac back roads. Theyve sealed the lot now .
Second hand ( low budget ! ) road runners were sick , continentals leathal. Tricks up there sleaves.Tyres are like Helmets
if second hand , get undamadged race quality ones . A tyre wrapped round the swing arm wouldnt be a joke .
Anyone got a copy off the ' Hop Up ' artical on the Pommy 10.5 Sec 850 , The other thing 10:1 C.R. was the 100 Octane 5 star fuel days , or 98 leaded used 9.5 really.The old T100 built in 1960 ran 7 1/4 :1 which equates with the 80 Octane pump fuel then .
No problem running race fuel or methanol , on a Track . Gets a bit awkward on the street, and a Engine built for it will
cough out hopeless on pump gas . I think 9:1 is about right for a Commando these days.Max. for touring / street .
Check out the local car clubs for closed road meetings , Hillclimbs and the like .A bit more relaxing atmosphere generally .
And often usefull contacts machineary / knowledge wise .
If bullshit was money Matt you would be a very wealthy man!................anyone who suggests a heavy old road bike, with less than 60bhp at the rear wheel, can run 10.5. 1/4s is maybe related to hobot?
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