Failed burn out in open

Then theres the TELEVISION . :shock: :roll: :lol: Quite hysterical with the sound off, can you still switch them to black & white . :?: :|

Can we all vote to exclude members from the forum?

Dave
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DogT said:

Can we all vote to exclude members from the forum?

Dave
69S

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everyone with yellow commando's! :mrgreen: (OK we can include purple ones 2!)

DogT said:

Can we all vote to exclude members from the forum?

Dave
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Yes, if it were a democracy. You can block his content from view but then you wouldn't understand what the frustration was all about.

Aw shucks, just relax like i do when tripping ole Peel out by extra power because the bluff faces and railings are zooming up too fast on 10 mph wagon trail for me a mere human to move forks that fast or hard - to then just let go like ole Denis the Menace sling shot as the most wonderful ingenious direction changing power handling turbulence absorbing wimpy mild steel chassis ever conceived by mankind works its flying carpet magic.

I know exactly how waddling Duckies take chicanes they all hit brake hard as they can then try to continue braking while leaned into most dangerous traction state a bike can be put in, right where Peel is already testing overpowering acceleration of best gear by tipping off tire center to taste the break out traction sense to really let her hair down and pick any line i like though the slo mo clutter of ruffled feathers and carbon fibers totally committed to a line w/o any reserves left at all. Right where they might be able to give ole Peel a hassle their 'puter kicks in or their fatso tires profile aligns the wrong way > bad ju ju.

I know exactly now waddle webbed feet and other flotation device equipped relatives handle real sweepers too any and every way possible to at all costs avoid turning it into a faster accelerating decreasing radius screwed down turn like I love to do on every turn on you know who/what, or actually you don't really know, what ya is missing out on...

Duh, don't ya even know that a really fun safe sound motorcycle does not have such a limiting concept as best way through a turn, no more than a single best way to make love, if you are beyond novice level and sampled a variety.
Someone is not on track here, wonder who that will turn out to be??

Hey hows my ego building image look to world with both feet flying off : (

hobot said:

Hey hows my ego building image look to world with both feet flying off : (]

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I guess that should stoke your ego eh?

You finally threw yourself at the ground and missed! (at least you haven't hit the pavement yet.)

RennieK said:

hobot said:

Hey hows my ego building image look to world with both feet flying off : (]

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I guess that should stoke your ego eh?

You finally threw yourself at the ground and missed! (at least you haven't hit the pavement yet.)

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Did you find my missing luggage while you were there? or was that a different planet

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Aw shucks, just relax like i do when tripping ole Peel out by extra power because the bluff faces and railings are zooming up too fast on 10 mph wagon trail for me a mere human to move forks that fast or hard - to then just let go like ole Denis the Menace sling shot as the most wonderful ingenious direction changing power handling turbulence absorbing wimpy mild steel chassis ever conceived by mankind works its flying carpet magic.

I know exactly how waddling Duckies take chicanes they all hit brake hard as they can then try to continue braking while leaned into most dangerous traction state a bike can be put in, right where Peel is already testing overpowering acceleration of best gear by tipping off tire center to taste the break out traction sense to really let her hair down and pick any line i like though the slo mo clutter of ruffled feathers and carbon fibers totally committed to a line w/o any reserves left at all. Right where they might be able to give ole Peel a hassle their 'puter kicks in or their fatso tires profile aligns the wrong way > bad ju ju.

I know exactly now waddle webbed feet and other flotation device equipped relatives handle real sweepers too any and every way possible to at all costs avoid turning it into a faster accelerating decreasing radius screwed down turn like I love to do on every turn on you know who/what, or actually you don't really know, what ya is missing out on...

Duh, don't ya even know that a really fun safe sound motorcycle does not have such a limiting concept as best way through a turn, no more than a single best way to make love, if you are beyond novice level and sampled a variety.
Someone is not on track here, wonder who that will turn out to be??

Hey hows my ego building image look to world with both feet flying off : (

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The gibberish you continually post on here seems to be suggesting you would make a pretty good politician..............why not try a career change?

We can call this stimulateing , if ordered in constructive aspects , First we thought No One would stick there head in .
Now weve got Five Pages of Healthy Debate , in Two Days . Pretty good going . Beats ' the news ' for reality any day .

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Interestingly the bullshitters on here who are claiming all sorts of amazing feats related to old push rod twins being superior to modern 200BHP sports bikes, never seem to mention what happens when you try to ride an old Brit bike hard, the fixed type footrest digs into the road, and the rear wheel comes off the ground................wonder what the reason for that might be?

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Im not sure what RPMs these noddles are pulling , say 15.000 .

Torque = hp x rpm ,

devide rpm x 3 , for 5.000 (std 70 or thereabouts , maybe peak powers at 6000 . SO we'll call it THAT .

Six goes into 15 TWO and ONE HALF times. miraculous . so 2 1/2 um, er , TWO HUNDRED , devided by something . :lol:

Now THATS . FIVE ( thats easy ) it goes in four times ( darn metrics ) now we're looking for two fifths of 200 .
anyone seen it . Thats like EIGHTY . Notta Bad eh . a piece of antiquated garbage produceing 80 Horse Power at 6000
is produceing as much Torque as a zillion rpm rice burner at 15000 .


this is why the BRM H16 was a bit paculiar .


Now , TRIUMPs for the untidy states ordinarily had FOLDING FOOTRESTS . As the Congressmen would have a fit otherwise.

as there was REGULATIONS . obviously a bit of amnesia too .


funny thing , they say Velocettes handled better than most , despite no scientific or logical justification for this.
Harrasing Hondas in a rally on a 59 5T framed Race Daytona pwered cyle was amusing , if some time back . 78/9
the big tall Hondas had come out. The only one that passed us ( pillion for ballast ) while I was reading the Route instructions ( you cant expect a Trainee teacher to be proficent there ? ) had wound it on so he hit the farm gate staight ahead at the next corner .Not to be outdone , I gased it left and right up the hill ,past the sign at the right shoulder , across the two lane highway :shock: over the dip for the drain off , down past the house and tree , curve around and wave back :lol: to the people on deck of their Yacht / keeler on it cradle at the other side , and a left back onto the highway ,
Honda had past again , but changeing into third put it behind us again .

As the motorcycle and trainee school teacher were borrowed , I declined forking out another $5 to see who had the biggest cajoules .The SPRINT was a forest track in the Helensville Forest , Clay with granit chips and irregular mounds ea side and centre of these .Finish line positioned to give the choice of screwing it up in third and disapearing into the pine forest , or trying for second , if youd left it hard out to within 10 yards of the line .Were maybe six serious contenders for honours .

Cant remember if the 58 Speed Twin that the original encrurements had largely departed got top spot , Quite unbeliveable .
Im sure it took it easily . We'd left , ( Coward ) The 58 , front guard on rear , & a peanut tank , being long and low slung , as well as an everyday ride, with a 4.00 K70 on the back , Riden in Anger ,
had snotted the Honda Boys . :lol: :mrgreen:

Try that onyer arseix and itd be knockin down pine trees .

Dang I only wanted to show I'm still learning what can go wrong on a silly factory rubber bumper baby cycle in slow easy stunts. I have sworn off what I call going fast and furious around bends on un-tamed Commando's and for that matter any fat ass tired superbikes. No luggage lost thank you just ego points with myself. At speed I never hold a cycle in one state more that fraction of a second, no motorcycle can hold a low down lean long under hi power the forces build up to either flop em off the surface or a tire or two lets go. But a cycle can take spikes of input and traction grip better that a car, if it can tolerate the load and not just whip up a tank slapper or slap the ground d/t poor CoG locations. I was not throwing Trixie down to the ground, merely gently Holding her down as if in a parking lot turn but the dang surface wasn't level so caught a peg for a lesion w/o any cost but my image here. Maybe someday I'll have video of Ms Peel doing a Ricochet Rabbit turn there, with spotter in case of oncoming wild flyer traffic. Btw none of my past Peel antics ever left my lane d/t this public danger so never really let Peels hair all the way out, so even I don't know how fast she can take em, but sure do about the corner cripples of the world, not fun.

Need a couple of fresh 23 year old tires hobot?

Both tires were new when the bike was put up in the late 80's. Lotsa tread.

Well yes please as those have way more meat that on Trixie now. Just like my decades old mower tires, put a good tube in stiffen by aire then just ride normally with some care to save me a bit more towards Ms Peel. Like ole Brut knew, beauty is just skin deep in tires as long as the cords still intact and not straining the edges.

Hm, might work better on Peel though to smoke up on paring lots or grind em to the quick on THE Gravel. Ya don't have to go racer fast to get real racer crash prevention- saving reflexes imprinted. If serious pm me.

I'd pressed Trixie in early summer to skip either end distinctly on smooth banked turns, to scare me to know what not to do on less nice spots on low grade tire states. I'm always very pleased by the smooth secure feeling on new tires but not how long that lasts even behaving nice on a C'do. Last time out, scratched the center stand in surprise which pissed/scared me as didn't realize-intend to lean that far but felt so fine in a coordinated turn it just happened. Pissed me off as there is not much meat left on the center stand foot lever. I'm handy enough on her and bald tires I've got habit again to pull toes back before some pleasant diving into things. She will hip-hop like most C'do's though in 'long' lumpy turns so am pretty timid to fly into them.

Staying on subject I can't resist some spin outs on grass to skew rear out for the rush and ease of a bit of a hi side back in line. Mostly I do it on THE Gravel to get reflexes to keep bike in line when rear trying to steer this way and that.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLnMr83DJJs[/video]

I wonder if you could post some pics of how you have modified your footrests for greater cornering clearance? The stock ones are awfully low, and tend to dig into the road at anything over very moderate cornering angles. Taking corners at far higher speeds than Jap and Italian sports bikes, obviously means a need for greater clearance, and would be interested to see what you have done.

Now you've put on your thinking cap,cool. Ordinary common rear sets plus 2" lifted in front allowed ~60' clearance. You nailed one of Peel's advantages, ability to lean more than 60's and still have more stick on dual purpose narrow cleated tires than my Suzuki's non DOT almost slick tires, so soft cold pebbles didn't get scrapped off in loud fender noises, till I returned off tarmac then so soft it'd release stones after locking them in place for THE Gravel Traction. These dual purpose tires were a failed lesion to cross THE Gravel on as its identical behavior to Dry Tarmac, that is no way to dig into surface so cleats just subtract surface area to grip but at least they didn't deform on side ways pavement rushes. Even on such hard compound tractor like tires Peel could run circles around my SV and MX bike I rode on THE Gravel. I'd come across the teens on ATV Blasters and out race them too but too scary with no reserves to dodge anything so just short drags a few times plus some wider sweepers, then I'd give up d/t groin fear spikes in the 60 mph leaning zone.

Here's Peel with Drouin mock up mounted.
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This lift required a crutch under the side stand, ugh. Next Ms Peel wears 15" shocks to lift rear to match front. Here she is in '04 weighing about 360 with a few gallons in IS tank and luggage rack. Back thing next to RH mirror is dual EGT/CHT meter. Btw each factory exhaust side weights about 9 lb, 3 in pipe and 6 for peashooter not counting the mount plates. This is prior to the rear sets installed for more leanness in mass and angles.
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All forks extend/expand as soon as a bike is leaned over, whether under power or not, only stupid trail braking compresses them when leaned. At some point of phase 2 handling, powering into leans with front pointing outward from the turn radius the front would try to pull bike into low side and wash right out, ugh. That's when I'd have to suddenly transition to phase 3 straight steering to stay on power and turn sharper yet. But Peel could easy handle staying just below phase 3 and slide wide and lazy crossed up like flat trackers or the cool hi speed upright drifts famous road racers do like ole Rossie. That don't cut it on narrow wagon trails on plateau faces or THE Gravel, so only do that for relaxed fun when I spin Peel on her CoG axis and hold her mostly sideways crossed up to direction of travel till aligned with new opening then just relax so she pops upright, rear re-grips hooks up sharply to leap ahead on both tires inline again. The uncanny-flabbergasting part is all the other cycles would want to keep falling down as tires slid out, so would have to put a foot out or wipe out so quit that in short order on anything but Ms Peel. So to me on Peel, once a counter steering drift started that was the end of going faster/tighter that way, its the end stage of usefulness of phase 2 counter steering and beginning of phase 3 transition into bicycle circus straight steering hands off stunts. This is also the limited top end orbit moderns can sustain. My shock here was how easy the fatso tires let go at such low G's, totally shocking to have modern bike go skipping out in surprise w/o even reaching Ms Peel's mere get there safe and sound commutes to appointments I make my living from.

My sense now is that wide ass tires have more a horizontal egg shape profile to direction of travel, sort of like paddle cleats on hill climber/sand duners, wonderful for bee line sprints, but as bike leans those paddle edges get more and more in line with the sideways turn force and then just slide along long axis of a squat egg shaped profile. Narrow tires seems to present more of a canoe/ski shape profile to the side forces on edges. Total area of patches are very similar on similar weight bike/rider combo's no matter the tire width.

The above tire disadvantage shows up nailing a modern on edge, it can't hook up enough to lift front only spin out,they must wait and wait till past apex before they can nail in front lifting thrust. Also they are still trying to depend on front tire weight to help hold bike in a lean against tire gyro's but at same time this fork leverage is trying to lift rear out of traction into more low side danger. Shoot in a real chicane them moderns even supermotards are on brake to slow up enough to take less lean they can handle. Motards generally don't have power enough or stable enough to take the stress to spin the rear to get the pivot on CoG to 'back into' a tight turns, they generally stomp rear brake, which does 2 things, one slides rear out and two throws in some hi side force to pop em back up before falling right down.

So to sum up Peel in real mean leans, could get so low I had to keep knee sucked to tank and tip toes on pegs, then could resist the outward fling ups of hi side G's and either drift wider relaxed, ho hum, no effort to keep exact same lean angle and radius turn, as she stayed stable in any lean angle unless I gave more input to spin rear to trip out further of let off for the hi side save. But the crux of the matter is Ms Peel didn't need front to steer a turn after phase 2 low orbital left behind. When straight steer thrown in, or actually thrown on to fork by tire following the turn arc, [think sail boat boom in a tack] she hooked so good she'd lift the front in a sideways wheelie powering out of apexes that seemed to pivot on rear axle axis and drop front down way sharper, then automatic hi side back upright aligned into new open on better grip yet to leap on out of there way faster than entered all set up for the next one usually after snicking next gear to protect engine rpms and keep on accelerating harshly.

Ms Peel was a total Neutral handling bike, that is it took same effort to lean over as to get back up and would stay at what ever lean angle was set, essentially hands off, sliding or flying up, all the same to her sedate manners. If I really tried hard I could get her to slide on tarmac at max leans and then I would have to hold forks enough to stabilize/dampen but not for steering effort to stay on aim. All in the R wrist action so no athletic's involved, a huge advantage on heats that lasted 30-45 min of red lining tranny bush burning in lower gears.

This is literally the killer application zone of fork dampers, they allow a tiny tad more speed on conflicting tire load stability of modern cripples but then prevent the fork action to really follow the road texture when the going gets low and rough OR for pilot to snatch a save in time. They are total taboo to me and when I see them on a cycle my heart drops and look else where for a more capable bike to tease into contests. I have Scott's damper I removed off SV650 in case you think I ain't familiar with the good stuff, pashaw. If your beloved Duckies sport dampers then they are freeway cruisers only to me, though very capable missiles above 45' leans so I must up Peel's power like 3x's to keep up or maybe out sprint to who knows what yet.

Only advantage reason for big fat meats is the heat handling spread across more area. But that opens another can of worms into quantum level indeterminacy of all the random splish-splashing that goes on in un-dampered chassis-power pulses of over rigid moderns resonating on balloons with sluggish sonic hysteria. There is a sonic zone of tire adhesion that ain't melting and ain't abrading, just smearing out of the effective traction edges. I call it hum, growl, squeal and chirp. Moderns can't convey that delicate balance to pilot as so confused with all the other vibrations inter acting. pashaw.
Throw yourself at the ground and miss!

Now you've put on your thinking cap,cool. Ordinary common rear sets plus 2" lifted in front allowed ~60' clearance. You nailed one of Peel's advantages, ability to lean more than 60's and still have more stick on dual purpose narrow cleated tires than my Suzuki's non DOT almost slick tires, so soft cold pebbles didn't get scrapped off in loud fender noises, till I returned off tarmac then so soft it'd release stones after locking them in place for THE Gravel Traction. These dual purpose tires were a failed lesion to cross THE Gravel on as its identical behavior to Dry Tarmac, that is no way to dig into surface so cleats just subtract surface area to grip but at least they didn't deform on side ways pavement rushes. Even on such hard compound tractor like tires Peel could run circles around my SV and MX bike I rode on THE Gravel. I'd come across the teens on ATV Blasters and out race them too but too scary with no reserves to dodge anything so just short drags a few times plus some wider sweepers, then I'd give up d/t groin fear spikes in the 60 mph leaning zone.

Here's Peel with Drouin mock up mounted.


This lift required a crutch under the side stand, ugh. Next Ms Peel wears 15" shocks to lift rear to match front. Here she is in '04 weighing about 360 with a few gallons in IS tank and luggage rack. Back thing next to RH mirror is dual EGT/CHT meter. Btw each factory exhaust side weights about 9 lb, 3 in pipe and 6 for peashooter not counting the mount plates. This is prior to the rear sets installed for more leanness in mass and angles.


All forks extend/expand as soon as a bike is leaned over, whether under power or not, only stupid trail braking compresses them when leaned. At some point of phase 2 handling, powering into leans with front pointing outward from the turn radius the front would try to pull bike into low side and wash right out, ugh. That's when I'd have to suddenly transition to phase 3 straight steering to stay on power and turn sharper yet. But Peel could easy handle staying just below phase 3 and slide wide and lazy crossed up like flat trackers or the cool hi speed upright drifts famous road racers do like ole Rossie. That don't cut it on narrow wagon trails on plateau faces or THE Gravel, so only do that for relaxed fun when I spin Peel on her CoG axis and hold her mostly sideways crossed up to direction of travel till aligned with new opening then just relax so she pops upright, rear re-grips hooks up sharply to leap ahead on both tires inline again. The uncanny-flabbergasting part is all the other cycles would want to keep falling down as tires slid out, so would have to put a foot out or wipe out so quit that in short order on anything but Ms Peel. So to me on Peel, once a counter steering drift started that was the end of going faster/tighter that way, its the end stage of usefulness of phase 2 counter steering and beginning of phase 3 transition into bicycle circus straight steering hands off stunts. This is also the limited top end orbit moderns can sustain. My shock here was how easy the fatso tires let go at such low G's, totally shocking to have modern bike go skipping out in surprise w/o even reaching Ms Peel's mere get there safe and sound commutes to appointments I make my living from.

My sense now is that wide ass tires have more a horizontal egg shape profile to direction of travel, sort of like paddle cleats on hill climber/sand duners, wonderful for bee line sprints, but as bike leans those paddle edges get more and more in line with the sideways turn force and then just slide along long axis of a squat egg shaped profile. Narrow tires seems to present more of a canoe/ski shape profile to the side forces on edges. Total area of patches are very similar on similar weight bike/rider combo's no matter the tire width.

The above tire disadvantage shows up nailing a modern on edge, it can't hook up enough to lift front only spin out,they must wait and wait till past apex before they can nail in front lifting thrust. Also they are still trying to depend on front tire weight to help hold bike in a lean against tire gyro's but at same time this fork leverage is trying to lift rear out of traction into more low side danger. Shoot in a real chicane them moderns even supermotards are on brake to slow up enough to take less lean they can handle. Motards generally don't have power enough or stable enough to take the stress to spin the rear to get the pivot on CoG to 'back into' a tight turns, they generally stomp rear brake, which does 2 things, one slides rear out and two throws in some hi side force to pop em back up before falling right down.

So to sum up Peel in real mean leans, could get so low I had to keep knee sucked to tank and tip toes on pegs, then could resist the outward fling ups of hi side G's and either drift wider relaxed, ho hum, no effort to keep exact same lean angle and radius turn, as she stayed stable in any lean angle unless I gave more input to spin rear to trip out further of let off for the hi side save. But the crux of the matter is Ms Peel didn't need front to steer a turn after phase 2 low orbital left behind. When straight steer thrown in, or actually thrown on to fork by tire following the turn arc, [think sail boat boom in a tack] she hooked so good she'd lift the front in a sideways wheelie powering out of apexes that seemed to pivot on rear axle axis and drop front down way sharper, then automatic hi side back upright aligned into new open on better grip yet to leap on out of there way faster than entered all set up for the next one usually after snicking next gear to protect engine rpms and keep on accelerating harshly.

Ms Peel was a total Neutral handling bike, that is it took same effort to lean over as to get back up and would stay at what ever lean angle was set, essentially hands off, sliding or flying up, all the same to her sedate manners. If I really tried hard I could get her to slide on tarmac at max leans and then I would have to hold forks enough to stabilize/dampen but not for steering effort to stay on aim. All in the R wrist action so no athletic's involved, a huge advantage on heats that lasted 30-45 min of red lining tranny bush burning in lower gears.

This is literally the killer application zone of fork dampers, they allow a tiny tad more speed on conflicting tire load stability of modern cripples but then prevent the fork action to really follow the road texture when the going gets low and rough OR for pilot to snatch a save in time. They are total taboo to me and when I see them on a cycle my heart drops and look else where for a more capable bike to tease into contests. I have Scott's damper I removed off SV650 in case you think I ain't familiar with the good stuff, pashaw. If your beloved Duckies sport dampers then they are freeway cruisers only to me, though very capable missiles above 45' leans so I must up Peel's power like 3x's to keep up or maybe out sprint to who knows what yet.

Only advantage reason for big fat meats is the heat handling spread across more area. But that opens another can of worms into quantum level indeterminacy of all the random splish-splashing that goes on in un-dampered chassis-power pulses of over rigid moderns resonating on balloons with sluggish sonic hysteria. There is a sonic zone of tire adhesion that ain't melting and ain't abrading, just smearing out of the effective traction edges. I call it hum, growl, squeal and chirp. Moderns can't convey that delicate balance to pilot as so confused with all the other vibrations inter acting. pashaw.
Throw yourself at the ground and miss!

having two young nephews in Arkansas, i hope that your incoherent ramblings are a product of some form of brain trauma and not reflective of the educational institutions of that state! :shock:

Why no I'm no reflection on the state of minds from Arkansas, I'm native Miami Fla. cracker, back when that was unusual so got to live in Florida during its hey day golden era. Got many driving and riding lesions on its various surfaces top to bottom side to side. Hot Porscher's left parts behind in freeway clover leafs trying to catch my Old's Vista Cruiser. Then Houston and all Texas had to offer before they really paid much attention to speed limits. You'd could drive the hard pack beaches I had Jaguar Xj6 and a silver Mecedes 6.9 L back then.
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Then got to Ozark's to discover THE Gravel and thought nothing of it till I ran right off easy turns into ditches or brush/fences with my Lexus 400 bigger tires on eropean sports suspension installed, YIKES! Lost control in numberous other ways before I got some sense not to loose it on THE Marbles and Arrowheads. So the bad influence got into me not the other way around, ugh.

I had a 21 ft jet boat we'd take to the rivers to ski and out pace hot jet skis with ladies and friends glugging a brew laid back waving as we sailed away. I thought I'd never get that same sense of wrists being pulled apart once I gave up the water sports for Ozark Combat, then the last rod was put on Ms Peel and I got the same wrist pull plus butt smash and brain slosh to boot. A really fun turn should feel like a hill climber launch with added G's of the turn thrown in.

Parking lot stunts are the only aspect I can practice on Trixie to keep a bit warmed up for next Peel to come. Brakes, turns and spurts to point to cause a crash to save or its just not enough.

ok, so it is some sort of brain injury from what i can understand - this is reassuring as was thinking i would have to pull an intervention to get my nephews out of Arkansas :shock: :?