EV drawbacks

KiwiShane said:
And another one...for a reasonably small country this is on the rise ...šŸ‘‡
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Electric car and garage fire in Pāpāmoa, road closed

Crews were called just before 6am.
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Beware of getting in close proximity to an EV
In a tunnel
On a bridge
On a ferry
In stalled traffic
On the Atchafalaya Basin Bridge, an 18 mile elevated causeway with nowhere to go in the event of trouble
Anywhere you cannot distance yourself from it should it burst into flames.
And don't park next to, or near one in a parking garage

Slick
 
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From my reading - apparently Hybrid vehicles are subject to vehicle fires at a higher incidence rate than ICE vehicles, whereas full EVā€™s far less than ICE vehicles - newer fleets may account for some of this, so who knows in future.

Apparently EV fires are harder to put out but take longer to start, thus often giving occupants more time to escape an accident or fire occurrence. Admittedly, itā€™s difficult to ā€˜pick the wheat from the chaffā€™ (and alarmism) apparent with this subject! Lots of vested interests and more than a little ā€˜skin in the gameā€™!

This is relatively new technology - in any real volumes - so no doubt will take many years to develop into a fully dependable transport option. Depending which country you live in of course.
 
When most people think of extraction, they think of fossil fuels like Oil- Coal & Gas. BUT unfortunately, lithium also falls under the same umbrella, despite paving the way for an electric & environmental catastrophe.... at a very Alarming rate especially when it comes to ground water contamination....
 
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On the radio yesterday it said there were two more house fires over Easter caused by scooters or bicycles being charged
With fireman having to rescue people
 
Professor Paul Christensen from the University of Newcastle is an expert in the field of EV fires and explained to Air Quality News: ā€˜Lithium-ion batteries are amazing, and the reason theyā€™re amazing is because they can store a huge amount of energy in a very small space.

ā€˜But naturally, that energy will try and get out.

ā€˜If the battery is exposed to excessive heat, or there is a penetration in the battery case, then you get an internal short circuit.

ā€˜This short circuit causes what is called Joule heating, this is when the electricity passing through causes heat and you cannot get rid of the heat as fast as you are generating it.

ā€˜Then because of this heat, a chemical reaction takes place which generates more heat, which then causes the chemical reaction to go even faster, and as you can see itā€™s a vicious cycle.

This is a process called thermal runaway and it can lead to ignition, or in some cases even explosion.ā€™

The obvious choice seems to be to extinguish the fire, however many EV manufacturers actually advise for a controlled burn. This is where the fire services allow the vehicle to burn out while they focus on protecting the surrounding area.

Once the fire has been successfully put out, the problem for the fire brigade is not over.

Electric vehicle fires are known to reignite hours, days or even weeks after the initial event, and they can do so many times.

Not only does this pose a safety issue, but it also poses a legal issue: recovery firms are increasingly concerned about dealing with electric vehicles.
 

KIA & HYUNDAI Take out top prize for Non crash related car fires​

Kias and Hyundais are some of the most at-risk vehicles for catching on fire. Kia and Hyundai are grouped together, as their vehicles share many of the same parts ā€” especially the ones at risk of catching on fire.

Since 2015, these two car brands have recalled 2.3 million vehicles for engine fire risks. In late 2019, they reached a $760 million settlement for non-crash-related car fires.

In 2018, the Highway Loss Data Institute investigated non-crash fire insurance claims for midsize Hyundai and Kia vehicles. They discovered that these cars are over twice as likely to have a non-crash-related fire insurance claim than comparable cars from other manufacturers.

Hundreds of complaints from Kia and Hyundai vehicle owners were filed, with drivers reporting cars catching on fire while driving and smoldering wires. Some of the fire risk issues were so severe, vehicle owners were encouraged to park their vehicles outside and away from their homes or other structures in case the car spontaneously caught on fire.
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Awesome sign me up šŸ¤£
 
texasSlick said:
Beware of.............On the Atchafalaya Basin Bridge, an 18 mile elevated causeway with nowhere to go in the event of trouble..................Slick
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Boy That's no lie Slick! This happened to me, well I ran out of gas on the Atchafalaya !! I count it as one of the most stupid things I have ever done! However it also turned out to be one of luckiest because I, well we,--(I had my entire family with me, Wife and 6 young kids, in a Toyota Sienna Van towing a utility trailer loaded down with tons of household items) I was still active duty in the Navy and I was on a new set of orders and we were in the middle of a PCS move from Pax River Maryland. Anyway, it was one of the luckiest because I was able to coast to the rest area exit (somewhere in the middle I think), with just enough momentum to make it into an 18 wheeler parking spot. It was a really hot day in the summer time. We were west bound from New Orleans heading towards Houston. We got off of I-10 before the bridge and stopped for lunch. My wife wanted to feed the kids since they were starting to get a bit grumpy, and I said Ok and we need to gas up too, but I'll do it after lunch. We found an old Furr's or Picadilly's Cafeteria and everyone was able to choose something to eat that they liked (kinda rare with all 8 of us). Anyway, on the way out of the restaurant there as a crane game in the lobby that they kids wanted to play. My wife said no because money was tight, but my dumb ass said "aw come on Honey let's give them each a dollar", which I did and she got a little upset with me about it. Well it turned out to be a mistake because the older kids lost their dollars first then tricked the younger ones, saying "here let us help you with that" and they worked the controls and lost again. Now I had crying little ones and unhappy older ones because they'd lost AND they were in trouble for what they'd done. So, trying to get everyone back in the van took some doing. Then It was damn hot in the van so I cranked it up and put the A/C on. We'd gotten the 2 youngest ones in their car seats , but the older ones were fighting over the Nintendo game consoles and weren't buckling up right away so I had to get after them again. Now I'm ticked off at the kids, my wife is ticked off at me, and I know I gotta get it rolling to get the a/c to work better and what did I forget to do ??? Yep, I forgot to fill up. After about 7 or 8 miles, I see the red light glaring at me with the needle on "E". I turn the A/C off and said to my wife "get the TomTom GPS out and look for the nearest gas station". She looks at me and see's the seriousness in my eyes, so she put aside her anger and got busy. She asks can we make it 9 more miles? I look back at her and say "Sweetie I don't know"! Well about 3 or 4 miles later the van starts surging. I'm in disbelief that I've let this happen and like Slick says there's nowhere on that stretch of I-10 to go. It's 2 narrow lanes each side of the causeway with just about 1 foot of shoulder and lots of traffic &18 wheelers flying along. I mean I'm starting to think that we were going to have to get out straight away and begin running forward away from the van in hopes of putting enough distance between us and the impending crash. When as luck would have it, the off ramp to the rest area comes into view. Relief washes over me, but just as quickly it's gone as the exit is at the top of a small rise. We're going slower and slower now and I have one eye glued on the rearview mirror and one on the road ahead. At about 10 mph I'm turning off the Interstate and starting downward towards the rest area parking lot. The ramp is a sweeping curve to the right and we roll right into the second space and stop in the shade of a big JB Hunt tractor trailer. A couple of more spaces over is a flatbed having a tire changed by a mobile tire man and in the back of this guys little work truck is a 5 gallon can of gas which he wouldn't sell to me.....he gave it for free!! I said you have no idea how much this helps me, please let me buy you a beer and I tried to put a 20 in his hand. he said that he didn't drink, so I said well then at least let me buy you a cup of coffee and he said alright then. WoW !!!! I was back on the road and the kids never knew what happened. .......I'm sorry to go off topic kiwishane, but when I saw what Slick had written it all came back to me, it was about 15 years ago now. Cj
 
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This is most definitely an EV drawback :rolleyes: !!! Anybody got a (really) long electrical extension cord?

Justā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦..why would you!?

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Worth a read. An industry site(?), but worth looking at both sides of the debate.

electrek.co

Government data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs

Aside from the argument that gasoline vehicles operate via combustion, a study shows how prevalent gas vehicle fires are compared to EVs.
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A little more balanced.

www.autoweek.com

How Much Should You Worry About EV Fires?

Fires involving electric cars often make the news, but let's take a look at how frequent they actually occurā€”and whether you should fret over their possibility.
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No one disputes there are far less EV car fires, so they go up far less but if one in parked in your garage (which in the UK can be under a bedroom) and it sets fire no one is going to be able to put it out.

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Flat above garages hides impressive home inside that's much bigger than it looks

A one-bedroom apartment for sale in Cardiff has captured people's attention due to a rather interesting and unexpected renovation feature inside
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EV drawbacks


Unless you have been out partying then any petrol/diesel car will be cooled down by the time you go to bed making the odds of it setting alight closer to that of an EV.
 
Mind you, do these figures take into account percentages of EV/The rest out there?
And how these fires start? A fair few car fires are started by joyriders looking to 'cover their tracks', I'd be surprised if they'd bother with an EV?
 
EstuaryBoy said:
Mind you, do these figures take into account percentages of EV/The rest out there?
And how these fires start? A fair few car fires are started by joyriders looking to 'cover their tracks', I'd be surprised if they'd bother with an EV?
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This is a good point there's very few electric cars compared to fossil burners
Are the figures a percentage?
 
With a house/ flat fire every other day caused by an ev scooter or bicycles being charged
How would you compare that to a petrol scooter etc
Most people I would assume don't keep a petrol scooter in their house ?
I've never heard of one causing a fire inside a house anyway
 
The article above indicates far more gasoline powered car fires per 100,000 than EV fires, not stated but likely most were involved in accidents. So for now I guess I'l stick with my lithium ion battery powered cel phone and lap top rather than go back to the old gas powered ones we had before.:)
 
rweb said:
The article above indicates far more gasoline powered car fires per 100,000 than EV fires, not stated but likely most were involved in accidents. So for now I guess I'l stick with my lithium ion battery powered cel phone and lap top rather than go back to the old gas powered ones we had before.:)
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I guess so David
 
KiwiShane said:
When most people think of extraction, they think of fossil fuels like Oil- Coal & Gas. BUT unfortunately, lithium also falls under the same umbrella, despite paving the way for an electric & environmental catastrophe.... at a very Alarming rate especially when it comes to ground water contamination....
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Not to mention Cobalt, Aluminum, and other materials...

...oh, OF COURSE, not to mention all of the petro-based PLASTICS, fabrics, etc, that STILL go into EVs; so, no petro reduction THERE...
 
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