Ethanol, For What Its Worth
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Carbonfibre said:
You need to widen your reading material. ?
Lead in the environment was becoming so widespread that the IQ of the local wildlife was even becoming noticeably affected - birds were having trouble building nests, animals having odd troubles with instinctive behaviours, etc. Not to mention all the dumb and dumber things humans are doing...
Avgas is a slow burning fuel, intended for ~2500 rpm operation. Modern fuels perform way better, in tests, if you read about. Unless you have sky high compression in an old slow-revving dunger, and can't tune for it.
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Its a rather short list of stuff that acetone can't dissolve and not a significant part of store bought fuels, so why do you require that?
I've looked into acetone both for mileage and anti-detonation for Peel and experimented in car, but Peel fiber Novalac tank put me off it. Don't take much to get its benefits but time and heat accumulate.
I've looked into acetone both for mileage and anti-detonation for Peel and experimented in car, but Peel fiber Novalac tank put me off it. Don't take much to get its benefits but time and heat accumulate.
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For anyone wanting to run their old bikes on 100% acetone we would be able to supply alloy tanks, GRP ones are fine at the type of percentages of acetone generally added to petrol to increase anti knock performance. Big business might one day sponsor medical investigations into whether or not smoking is one of the major causes of lung cancer, and should they find this is the case, then certainly cigarettes would be withdrawn from sale in the same way lead was removed from petrol?
I drain all carbs on all my old bikes. I think the only bike I don't drain is my XR as I ride it daily, but all others get drained. I've not had to tear down a carb in years.
I also use my special fuel mix. 93 octane gas, stabil (now marine grade, used to be the red stuff), lead substitute, 2 stroke oil. Keeps all petcocks and carbs working smooth and wonderful.
But....in the last 2 weeks I've changed strategy and have gone to ehtanol free gas. It's $1 more a gallon, $4.59, but I think it will be worth it.
I also use my special fuel mix. 93 octane gas, stabil (now marine grade, used to be the red stuff), lead substitute, 2 stroke oil. Keeps all petcocks and carbs working smooth and wonderful.
But....in the last 2 weeks I've changed strategy and have gone to ehtanol free gas. It's $1 more a gallon, $4.59, but I think it will be worth it.
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lrutt said:
Like you I use a concoction of additives for my Norton: 1/2 ounce Lucas Octane Boost, 1/2 ounce Lead Additive, 1/2 Ounce Marine Stabil. I put it into an Empty Mini Bottle, the type airlines serve Booze in, perfect size as they are 1 7/8oz capacity. I keep at least a couple in my tank bag at all times, simply pouring one in the tank at every fill up of the highest octane gas available at the station I am at.
Last year I did not properly drain the carbs or treat the fuel in my Honda VF700S and had a problem with it this spring. One carb was giving me fits. After a few treatments of Sea Foam and use of Sta Bil Marine it has cleared up. Saved me from having to take of the carbs (4 as one unit) which is a MAJOR pain in the patoot on that bike.
Since then, and since hearing from those in the marine, small engine and that antique car guy I will always be using this combination of additives.
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Why should end users put up with fuel thats not fit for purpose, and have to spend money on all sorts of weird and wonderful additives to allow vehicles and equipment to run on this stuff?
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Carbonfibre said:
Ummmmm, ahhhhhhhhh.................... Cuz we can't find any other alternatives????????? DUH!!!!!
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MikeM said:
Sure, you just need to drive to the Bellmark BP Station at 1302 Lincolnway, Laporte, IN. :mrgreen:
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steveyacht said:
Rivertown Depot
1700 Church St., Conway, SC
West Oil Company Inc
4584 Highway 17 Bypass, Murrells Inlet, SC
Pawleys Island Supply
10460 Ocean Highway, Pawleys Island, SC
Ocean Isle Fishing Cener
65 Causeway Drive, Ocean Isle, NC
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Ironic that the need to use ethanol in fuel originated from unproven US government propaganda about MTBE fuels being carcinogenic, yet its still possible to get hold of non ethanol fuels in the US, but now pretty much impossible in Europe!
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swooshdave said:
Yes I am aware of those, Conway is about 25 miles away, Murrells about the same, Pawley's evcen further. OIBFC is the closest, was there last Sunday on a ride. Fuel Pumps are on the docks, no way to get the bike to the pump. Not gonna haul it up to the parking lot. Don't store quantities of gas at the house. Would be a helluva lot mre convenient if wehad a choice instead of being this crap being forced down our tanks. Until then, I will continue to use additives.
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Why? . . . . . because we are diffuse and suffer an unintended consequence that politicians and regulators and environmental activists see as just an occasional nuisance, for us, not them.
Meanwhile, those who lobbied for MTBE made their fortune. MTBE didn't hurt our tanks and carburetors, and it did make the gas burn cleaner, but . . . . by its nature it dissolved into ground and impoundment waters. It's too late to argue about MTBE's magnitude or importance as a carcinogen.
Farm state interests saw all the money the MTBE guys were making, said "Gee, ethanol can do that just the same!" and lobbied for ethanol over MTBE, and for massive "clean energy" subsidies too. They're making money. Never mind that ethanol also dissolves into ground and impoundment waters . . . . . shhhhhh! don't talk about that! or that ethanol too is a Group 1 carcinogen.
The lawn mower homeowners don't talk to the fibreglass gas tank boat guys who don't talk to the old car rusting steel gas tank guys who don't talk to the fibreglass tank Norton guys . . . . . . . none of whom are willing to raise the ire of the regulators or politicians because they don't want anyone with power snooping around their stuff. That's why.
Meanwhile, those who lobbied for MTBE made their fortune. MTBE didn't hurt our tanks and carburetors, and it did make the gas burn cleaner, but . . . . by its nature it dissolved into ground and impoundment waters. It's too late to argue about MTBE's magnitude or importance as a carcinogen.
Farm state interests saw all the money the MTBE guys were making, said "Gee, ethanol can do that just the same!" and lobbied for ethanol over MTBE, and for massive "clean energy" subsidies too. They're making money. Never mind that ethanol also dissolves into ground and impoundment waters . . . . . shhhhhh! don't talk about that! or that ethanol too is a Group 1 carcinogen.
The lawn mower homeowners don't talk to the fibreglass gas tank boat guys who don't talk to the old car rusting steel gas tank guys who don't talk to the fibreglass tank Norton guys . . . . . . . none of whom are willing to raise the ire of the regulators or politicians because they don't want anyone with power snooping around their stuff. That's why.
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Here's another sealer that promises to work better than the rest, but I sure don't know...
http://www.mcadvantages.com/documents/s ... F8934A.pdf
http://www.mcadvantages.com/documents/s ... F8934A.pdf
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If that tank sealer has been around since 1984, seems strange the makers have been unable to get it properly tested in that time? In common with all the other wonder sealing products on the market, the one and only reason they are never tested is because those selling them know very well they dont work!
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