engine braking

Dances my whole Peel project revolves around disproving most of limited cycle logic and your comment above shows you don't yet know what you and rest of the world is missing out on. Rear steers the bike not the front and too much engine braking will prove it to ya like it has me in spades to always avoid unless doing it on purpose. You and rest of the world are not stupid just ignorant which is correctable as it was in my own once ignorant state a few years ago.

Geeze, don't hold back :lol:

Some engine braking here so hold on.

After campaigning the Commando racer for a few years I was on one of my first outings on the newly acquired Old Featherbed racer wtih a Combat motor (53% BF) and a gearbox with a penchant for false neutrals. This was at Mid Ohio while going down the paddock straight full tilt in fourth gear. Onto the brakes, intitiate a down shift (shit false neutral) begin the turn in feathering off the front brake and hitting the gear shift again while heading towards the apex and uncerimoniously letting the clutch out again - shit! - second gear!.

So I am going through the turn on a bucking hobby horse leaned over hanging off at maybe 80 mph. Passed the apex, grab the clutch and regrouped, continued in the race and was immediately impressed. My first thought was that the Commando would have spit me off in a heart beat.

So tell me great hobot, what am I missing here? What was happening during this turn while my rear tire was hopping in the air. Was there a moon beam traction force or something? What are Keith Code and all his very successful students missing and what is Tony Foal missing with regard to the mechanics and dynamics of turning a motorcycle. :roll: Are they all ignorant also?

Man I cannot believe they had it wrong all these years. :roll:

I feel like Charlie Brown summoning the Great Pumpkin after writing this.

Damn John your stories make my stomach and groin cramp. We, me/you and rest of the know and agree a sold chassis of about any type is rather better at handling extremes than any un-tammed isolastic. I know what happens leaned in let offs in too low a gear for rear to hold and also what happens depending on engine drag and tranny pops out of gear suddenly. Last one broke my L5/SI area born fused as one but now a fully movable functional joint, which is like having spinal surgery before invention of drugs. I do not take your comments nor mine lightly so if I sound crazy to you its because I'm trying to reveal a new level of operation Tony or others don't yet recognize because it crashes every other cycle but those that purely luck out so bike self corrects w/o their interference at ridiculous fast fork and rear action.

In your Feather bed case likely its stiffness kept the freequecy hi enough and amplitude low enough to keep enough tire patch contact to drift wider in time and space to get back in line. I've been in your described state at 80's in rain on solid mount and scared shit out of me but at that speed there's some safety of time-ballistics before running out of it to reflex correct.

A HUGE bur in my saddle was Herb's swash plate isolastic Commando with MacRae on it but not seeing it dominate in turns just equal to the solid mounts and not getting on hi power before apexes either like the super duper fancy frame wonders. Just did not compute to point some vital detail being left out of how Doug's bike is actually set up to race. Someone this week mentioned Doug further locking up iso's with wedge or such, but i don't know if that was just teasing or spilling the beans on nullifying the wonder of non rebounding compliance.

Think and say what ever you like about me i'll only tease back rationally and to me objectively - keeping in mind i just did a full down crash and pick back up
on Trixie on both sides after dark in the mud loaded with bungee cord high rear mass and got TF away but small hole in L knee rain suit. It took a few years of crashing before the reflexes skip brain and play directly from spinal cord and brain stem.

Trail braking and engine braking are so similar they should only be done in rather mild speeds like current racers not at sloppy ole Peel Manic.