Dunstall silencers

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further thoughts/ruminations...
Is "Made in England" a badge of quality, or a sign of authenticity, or just a marketing ploy to Commando Cultists?
Is the low price a sign of a good deal or just more phony crap made wherever? (the later usually prevails).
Is the sound more important than the performance? (I am not a racer so maybe true for me).
Hmmmmm....
 
tomspro said:
further thoughts/ruminations...
Is "Made in England" a badge of quality, or a sign of authenticity, or just a marketing ploy to Commando Cultists?
Is the low price a sign of a good deal or just more phony crap made wherever? (the later usually prevails).
Is the sound more important than the performance? (I am not a racer so maybe true for me).
Hmmmmm....

Tom,

I had the same feeling when looking around that Dunstall website. Something about it doesn't feel right. I was hoping someone here might know something. It looks like it is actually in the UK but other than that hard to tell.

They say this about themselves:

"Dunstall Motorcycles was re-established in 2013 in order to supply high quality aftermarket products for Classic Motorcycles such as BSA, Triumph & Norton."

This is essentially a brand new company. Who is behind it? They try to make it look like Paul Dunstall has a connection but never come out and say "Authorized" or "Backed By" or anything to make it legit. I have a feeling something is wrong.

Wish someone here had some info on this.

Dennis
 
tomspro said:
Well I am glad that got cleared up!
I forget - what was the question?
:wink:
I think dynodave answered your question pretty clearly regarding authenticity. At least for Nortons. The red cap doesn't ring any bells with me either but Dunstall did produce these parts for the asian market too in the end. I doubt you can buy original new Dunstall Norton pipes anywhere.

tomspro said:
further thoughts/ruminations...
Is "Made in England" a badge of quality, or a sign of authenticity, or just a marketing ploy to Commando Cultists?
Is the low price a sign of a good deal or just more phony crap made wherever? (the later usually prevails).
Is the sound more important than the performance? (I am not a racer so maybe true for me).
Hmmmmm....

The "Made in England" stamp folks are posting also says Dunstall on it and that is a sign of authenticity.
As far as I know no one has made any deals to build the mufflers with the Dunstall name and to the same design as the originals. Therefore I would consider any new supply as a replica of some sort and therefore price is irrelevant.
The sound was a bi-product.

I hope my posting of my mount photos didn't derail your thread. I was trying to fulfil hobot's request.

I guess I've been real lucky, I've never had problems with the 2-1-2 exhaust system in any way. That's welds, chrome, fitment etc. and I love the sound!
 
I have a set of the early 2-2 Dunstall pipes that are in very nice condition. They came in black and had a balancer tube. I just recently had them ceramic coated
 
Too bad Clubman doesn't have a picture of theirs. The other site's mufflers don't look like good copies. I never saw the baffles painted red on real Dunstall silencers. I'd pass on those.
I have 2 sets. One purchased new in '73 on my '71 750, the other came with a '73 850 I bought a few years ago. Two different styles, the later one's can be dismantled to access the inner baffle tube. Good thing, one cracked and had to be welded. I'll take their sound over peashooters everytime. I also installed a Dunstall longer kickstart lever on the '71 after milling the head for 10:1 compression. That sure made cold starting easier. Otherwise, it was an XLCH exercise. No complaints with quality and chrome from me.
 
Thanks to DynoDave and others for convincing me not to order these.
Something is amiss, and I am not up for spending cash to find out what the 'new Dunstall' company is making.
Even the (mostly English) people on the NOC forum are suspicious.
t
 
the Dunstall name is currently owned and registered ( UK trade mark ) with burton bike bits

Dunstall type silencers will be UK manufactured by ( Brituro silencers UK )
 
dennisgb said:
850cmndo said:
Nah, this all original. PM me with yer email address so I can take pics and provide some measurements.

I have the real deal too on my MKIII. They sound great and look good too. I always thought they all had special mounts but may be wrong.

Only thing I don't like about mine is a small visible ding in one of them.


Mine are originals on a barn find from a friend.
I like them.
Not too loud but they do bark.
Dunstall silencers
 
kiwi said:
the Dunstall name is currently owned and registered ( UK trade mark ) with burton bike bits

Dunstall type silencers will be UK manufactured by ( Brituro silencers UK )

That makes sense, Danny Page is Director of Burton Bike Bits. Wonder if he's related to Jimmy and is it spelt Decible or Decibel? I always thought it was the latter.
 
MikeM,
Where was that barn? :shock:
I owned a Commando in the early 70's that looked just like this... Dunstall pipes and all!
Bought it new in England and had it shipped back to US.
I traded it for a mini-van and dirt bike when I got out of the Army in Fayetteville NC in 1972. :oops:
I now have a black 1972 Combat that I am restoring and will eventually paint yellow.
tomas

MikeM said:
dennisgb said:
850cmndo said:
Nah, this all original. PM me with yer email address so I can take pics and provide some measurements.

I have the real deal too on my MKIII. They sound great and look good too. I always thought they all had special mounts but may be wrong.

Only thing I don't like about mine is a small visible ding in one of them.


Mine are originals on a barn find from a friend.
I like them.
Not too loud but they do bark.
Dunstall silencers
 
The Dunstal silencers are the real deal and put on a very long time ago. The bike has a fair story. It belonged to a friend that I met in about 1978 and we are still in touch. In all that time I never saw the bike but I knew he had it. Even then I was a Commando fan. He got the bike in a basket from someone that owed him money and got it running and riding.
He lived in lower Wisconsin on a true farm with cows chickens etc. He rode it home one night in about 93 with a massive oil leak from the timing side, put it in the barn and there it sat. He came upon hard times in 2000 and I bought the bike from him. It truly smelled like a barn. I had it running in about 3 days but it had a noise in the bottom end. Not having the tools or place to pull it all apart, I let it sit until last fall and took it to a local shop that specializes in Norton, BSA, Triumph etc. Vintage stuff. The engine had a bad main roller bearing and was just about to internally go catastrophic. It should be back to me in the next few weeks. I am doing a mechanical restoration at this time and will leave all the nicks and dings as they make the bike honest. I should be able to actually ride it this summer. I always wanted a black and gold paint scheme but the yellow has grown on me and it will stay that color. Hope this little tale wasnt too long.
Let me know how your project goes and send some photos.
 
The Dunstall exhaust system 2-1-2 that Renniek mentions was I believe, designed for him by Blair. Does anyone have the pipe dimensions for this system ?
At one time it was regarded as a really worthwhile system, but of late little is heard of it still being much in use
 
British Bike Bits owns "A" Dunstall registered trade mark both a UK mark and a Euro mark but NOT the one owned by Paul Dunstall or connected to his company. British Bits Bits are perfectly entitiled to design and manufacture a new range of products called Dunstall, The posts seem to ask if it is the old company or a new one, its a brand new trade mark for a new company and new products called Dunstall, bit like buying an aged domain name to use the backlinks and traffic from the old one

Trade marks are licenced for 10 years (except Canada 15 years and USA which has a 5 year licence when first registered and 10 thereafter) Once the mark expires someone else can apply for a new mark of the same name but they dont get the company with it, they have to buy that off the owner.

Unless someone recently has bought the rights, The actual company owned by Paul Dunstall still has a legal owner but as they are no longer involved in the bike industry they didnt renew the licence. They dont lose the rights to that brand and products by not relicencing the mark, its simply downgraded to the same level as the brand in the 1960's before Paul registered it,, registration just gives additional protection from passing off by others using your name. If someone does try and use the name you have a mark for, it is upto the owner to take legal action, the trade mark office is used as a referance point in court but rarely take action themselves.

The Dunstall brand name (as of Paul dunstall's old company) was owned by a large motorcycle concern who went into admin a few years ago, however the trade marks and rights had been transfered to a holding company a few years before,, then licenced the use of to the manufacturing company,, when they went into admin the licence was broken and the rights returned to the holding company which is still intact otherwise the trade marks would have been sold via the admin in the same way as all the Frank Thomas marks were sold to J & S.

British Bike Bits registered a new trade mark called Dunstall (after the old one had expired) firstly in the UK then Euro for motorcycle use. Specialising in Hinckley Triumphs, by all accounts the parts are well made and designed correctly.The complete Triumph on the facebook page looks pretty kool to me but it is not Paul Dunstall's old company or the rights to its logos and parts or history.

The owner of the genuine company owned by Paul Dunstall (unless someone has bought them in the last few months) still holds the copyrights to logos, photos etc,, goodwill to race history, world records etc, manufacturing rights to Decibel/Power silencers, twin disc forks (two sets, nine and ten inch discs), spine frames, exhursts, cams, 810 barrells etc, it is not known if the tooling exists at his time. None of which was lost in the admin of the other company, only the trade mark for the car parts Magnex was involved in the admin.

Hopefully the two parties will one day find a solution join the companies togeather in the future so the old Dunstall parts will be remade legally instead of the fake ones offered on the internet from India and China.

I am sure this post will raise a few eyebrows and i am expecting a bit of flack, but over the years I have been in touch with all parties concerned and the two companies who handled the admin orders (one for cars, one for bikes), I also own 4 reg trade marks of my own (two in the UK) so I do know a little of the legal aspect of this, I have also been in constant touch with the owner of Paul's old company since they bought it in 1988 until about 9 months ago.
 
Interesting comment by nemesisv8 regarding trademarks.
Perhaps this explains why there are different muffers/silencers available stamped Dunstall. Anyone who buys a replica that does not fit /performs as they should, would have a nightmare trying to trace the parts producer.

I myself am looking for Dunstall Decibals that have the bolt on cover at the rear, nowadays they are all pop riveted on
 
I had a badly rusted Dunstall Decibal a long time ago; it was so bad and so thin there was no need to split it.
If my memory serves me correct, there was just the outer skin, with a circular collar welded onto the skin about half way, ( or was it 2 of them?) this enabled the rear inner section to be unbolted and removed, for owners to self-pack their own sound wadding , as desired as none was supplied.
 
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