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Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Discussion in 'Access Norton Pub' started by acotrel, Feb 25, 2017.

  1. Danno

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    Tell me, Mr. Liberty, if the CIA tapped Russian phones and Trump and his minions were on the other end of the lines, is it really so hilarious? More like pathetic.
     
  2. acotrel

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    There is always one underlying 'FACT' which supersedes all others. All 'FACTS' are based on PROBABILITY. If you are a 'believer' you have a problem.
     
  3. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    Both very powerful guy,s for sure,Mr Murdoch certainly played his part in Brexit ,his "The Sun " daily newspaper sells around 2 million a day,its in pubs & coffee bars etc,so more than 2 million see it, his " Sunday Times " paper is one of the largest, both papers had heavy headlines to leave in the run up to the vote, the public never really saw it coming,it was like 51.9 % to leave, after brexit the pound lost up to 20% in value to the dollar & euro,some people made cash there I bet.
    As for phone hacking saga in UK, it was a bit like the law in handling stolen good,s, your not guilty if you handle & sell stolen goods if you don't know their stolen in the first place, you plead nievity , so all the papers conveniently forgot or chose to forget where there stories came from ,claiming rogue freelance journalists were to blame,all the editors & owners knew what was happening,a way of life & the norm, right up until the " Milly Dowler" incident, Phone hacking at its absolute worst ,listening to voicemails of a poor missing child was a step too far,breathtaking in their own their own temerity the press behaviour was as low as you can get .
    Phone hacking was incredibly easy in late nineties,Nokia phones had a default security code of 0000, so u could listen to someone's voice mail by ringing their number ,let it go to voice mail,key # 0000 and your in ????? .
    I understand the American people wanting a change & so did we in the UK, newspapers sell news , circulation is up & subscriptions have never been higher, "There all in it together " quote there from Glen Mulcaire
     
  4. motorson

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    Trump is playing the media like a fiddle. All he has to do is say one thing to piss them off and you can tune into any media source with a "C" in it's name and listen to all of them saying the same things and using the same phrases as all the other "C" outlets. (abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, msnbc) Two years ago my son came home and asked me, "What do you think is really going on while we are all talking about under inflated footballs?" I don't think I have to know what IS true in order to know that what "they" are all saying is NOT true!
     
  5. xbacksideslider

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    Well said, and your son is a sharp kid.

    It's amazing to me how so many people naively think they are well informed just because they "read the paper" or "watch the news," or - worst of all - they "went to college;" and then these uncritical dupes follow their Pied Pipers to the polls.
     
  6. Rohan

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    The jury is still out on that one - lets see how the economy is shaping in a year or 4 ?!

    Also, boosting the military at the expense of everything else is not entirely always
    a formula for financial good health.
    Good for a select few stockholders though...
     
  7. xbacksideslider

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    Rohan, I'm believe in the non-aggression principle and therefore I opposed U.S. imperialism. Our imperialism leads to misuse and overextension of the U.S. military. Our military should be used ONLY for national self defense. And, yes, I agree too that so called "defense spending" is too often corrupt as politicians and defense department bureaucrats are lobbied and bribed such that the weapons are often inadequate, inappropriate, and always overpriced. Further, we are in this situation because, as I said above, so many people naively think they are well informed just because they "read the paper" or "watch the news," or - worst of all - they "went to college."

    The sad fact is that most of us are all brainwashed into supporting militarism and the imperial state. We are not the world's policeman and "helping" other nations is dangerous altruism.
     
  8. acotrel

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    Read Tom Watson's book 'Dial M for Murdoch'. The biggest threat to western democracy is not the Russians. If politicians don't kow-tow to Murdoch, they don't get elected. In the UK, the whole political system was corrupted by phone hacking and the power it gave Murdoch. It even involved the police.
     
  9. Rohan

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    As the Readers Digest quipped, many years ago now. In the future, folks will look back and say
    "you allowed POLITICIANS to rule the world ?? "

    As more than a few commentators have observed, so called 'democracy' these days in most places seems to have degenerated into an entirely corrupted slanging and points scoring match between 2 bitterly opposed factions.
    And never the twain shall meet.

    Which ain't how democracy was supposed to be, at all...
     
  10. xbacksideslider

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    Well . . . didn't read that book but I did read the Amazon squib and 4 or 5 reviews of it there.
    Written by a Labor MP and I imagine that the co-author is a lefty ghost writer.

    So -
    Murdoch's people hacked British politicians' private phones and then published the sexy bits.
    Wikileaks' source hacked American politicians' private emails and then published the sexy bits.

    The sexy bits revealed dishonesty and corruption and that cost those politicians their careers.

    Good.

    Corrupt politicians were "outed" - that's bad?
    That's a threat to Western democracy?

    In both cases, the establishment lost - especially the mainstream media, jealous of its propaganda power.
    Murdoch embarrassed them in Britain; Wikileaks did the same here.
    I don't give a whit how they got the info so long as it "outs" corrupt public officials.
    In fact, in addition to the 1st Amendment, there ought to be statutory immunity for it.

    Murdoch wins because he feeds the Center-Right and the Right the food that the biased MSM refuses to serve.
    That is why he grabs market share- Australia, Britain, and the U.S. - serving a market the establishment won't.
    No wonder the biased MSM bashes Murdoch, they're desperate to discredit the competition.
    If they offered the fare that so much of the public wants, they could beat him.
    They won't; their bias runs so deep, they'd rather leave money on the table - for Murdoch to scoop up.
    Besides, their personal and corporate incomes are guaranteed. They are "regulated" don't you know?
     
  11. Rohan

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    You seem to use the word "left" waaay out of context. ?
    Wanting to get a better world for all isn't a crime - yet.
    AK47 waving revolutionaries are the REAL left...??

    And then the phone hacking bizzo gets to Milly Dowling....
     
  12. xbacksideslider

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    Out of context? It's a lefty book. The truth hurts. If you are ashamed :oops: of the Left, live with it. Or . . . . change.
    Everyone wants a better world. Does the Left have a monopoly on wanting a better world ?
    Revolutionaries don't need guns to harm society, they're "progressing" with that via control of the culture already.
     
  13. Rohan

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    When you analyse US politics, its hard to find anyone who is anything but right wing !
    Its been commented before that there is the right wing, the far right wing, the far far right wing, etc.
    Conservative rules, OK - the more conservative the betterer...

    Its difficult too to think of too many monarchies who have overthrown free thinking republics,
    although Mr Cromwell might disagree :lol: :lol:
    Or are you suggesting that Mr Trump is setting hisself up for a dynasty of Trumps ?
     
  14. auldblue

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  15. Danno

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  16. xbacksideslider

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    All of that is too cryptic -

    ". . . anything but right wing . . .?
    ". . . . Conservative rules . . ."?
    ". . . monarchies . . . ?
    " . . . suggesting . . . dynasty . . "?

    Please unpack it.
     
  17. acotrel

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    In Australia we have a politician named Pauline Hanson. She is one of the people who hold the balance of power in the upper house of federal parliament. People also get into discussing her opinions - I don't know why they bother. I notice that Trump has been stone-walled over Obamacare.
     
  18. motorson

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    On the Obamacare score you are going to see conservatives being glad that the Republican/Trump bill did not pass. Conservatives do not support a president just because he is in their party unlike American Liberals. I can find major faults with each president in my life time. (This, of course, does not mean that I am right. :) ) But, sadly, all of the liberals that I know have been in lock step with Obama and Hillary for the last 8 years. I have come to believe that Liberalism in America is a Religion and not a political set of opinions. If it was politics then you wouldn't have such blind devotion to policies that include lies and deception.
     
  19. Danno

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    The lies and deception, blind devotion and ignorance of fact, ideology-over-all won out recently and has set about undoing anything that interferes with billionaires making more money. If that's not religion, tell me, what is? Neo-money-nazism has it's god, the almighty dollar and it's son has risen to power. Hallafukinlulah
     
  20. Rohan

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    It was not dissimilar conditions that produced the Oct 1917 revolution, 100 years ago this year.
    Perhaps similar will be needed, for a truly reformist agenda. ??

    Gun sales are reportedly at an all time high. Not coincidence ?