Damaged jugs - can it be repaired?

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Ordered from eBay. Looked in good condition as shown in the pics for the ad.

Packaging was a thin cardboard box and one layer of bubble wrap. It arrived badly damaged as shown.

Can it be repaired?

Looks like it should go back to the seller or in the bin.
 

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The fins are repairable, the skirt is not, pity as if less of the skirt had been broken off it was usable.
 
I remember buying a Trident cylinder head from a seller in the US, looked great in the pics.When I got it , it was smashed to pieces he'd just put it in a box with no bubble wrap or anything else around it.
The idiot then blamed me for ruining his 100% feedback, like it was my fault !
 
Well guys, I disagree on the skirt. It is repairable.

I seized a piston on my Atlas way back in the 60's and suffered a shirt damage very much like that in the pics. Took the barrels to a shop that repaired it with a process called metal spraying. After filling the void, the cylinders will require a rebore.

I estimate I have 50K plus miles on the repair and no problems whatsoever.

Slick
 
I've seen the results on shafts and such which were excellent, but have no clue as to the outcome on cylinder skirts.
 
Not so long ago I bought a reground commando crank including shells
When it arrived it was packed in a cardboard box with no packing!
The shells were in a box taped to the outside of the flywheel and squashed almost flat!
I contacted the sender but he wasn't interested
I put a claim in to "my Hermes" courier not expecting anything, they requested a photo of the squashed shells and within 10 days they paid me for the shells plus compensation
I could not believe the seller would pack the shells to the outside of the crank!
And then just stick it in a cardboard box!!
 
texasSlick said:
Well guys, I disagree on the skirt. It is repairable.

I seized a piston on my Atlas way back in the 60's and suffered a shirt damage very much like that in the pics. Took the barrels to a shop that repaired it with a process called metal spraying. After filling the void, the cylinders will require a rebore.

I estimate I have 50K plus miles on the repair and no problems whatsoever.

Slick
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I didn't know you could repair something like this with metal spraying!!?
 
The cylinder can be repaired by metal spraying or a torch with ni-rod. The part that makes it difficult is the pre and post heating that must be done to avoid creating a hard spot at the weld.
The entire barrel must be heated to red hot before welding and then it must be cooled very slowly in a heat treatment oven or by burying in ash.
The process is best done in an inert gas furnace to avoid erosion of the surfaces but burying it in ash before heating and leaving only the area to be repaired exposed until after the weld is done works also.
 
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comnoz said:
The cylinder can be repaired by metal spraying or a torch with ni-rod. The part that makes it difficult is the pre and post heating that must be done to avoid creating a hard spot at the weld.
The entire barrel must be heated to red hot before welding and then it must be cooled very slowly in a heat treatment oven or by burying in ash.
The process is best done in an inert gas furnace to avoid erosion of the surfaces but burying it in ash before heating and leaving only the area to be repaired exposed until after the weld is done works also.
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Red hot!!
No wonder the corner of the barrel flange that I repaired on my A65 cracked when I tightened it back down!!
I'd wrapped it in an asbestos blanket to cool more slowly , obviously wasn't enough!
Wish I had this sort of information 40 years ago
 
baz said:
Red hot!!
No wonder the corner of the barrel flange that I repaired on my A65 cracked when I tightened it back down!!
I'd wrapped it in an asbestos blanket to cool more slowly , obviously wasn't enough!
Wish I had this sort of information 40 years ago
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Yeah, the cooling is best done over something like a 24 hour period. Otherwise the weld area will be like glass.
 
freefly103 said:
The seller (Von Licht Vintage Cycle, PA), replied, and has refunded the full price plus shipping. One of the good guys on Ebay.
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Good for you. Von Licht is a decent seller. But why spend money in this obsolete barrel design which is prone to breaking? If I were you I'd buy one of the 850 style jugs. They are not that expensive.

-Knut
 
About 1983 there was a head and motor block repair shop in Indianapolis called "Garv's Head Shop". All I had was a VW head that was cracked in several places at the spark plug holes. When I went there it was the most primative assembly of low, one floor shacks. All belching smoke and somehow hidden yet near the heart of the city. I remember thinking, what 'n the hell are they gonna do here?" But inside my eyes were opened. I could see parts being heated in furnaces all around. There were literally hundreds of broken parts, from cast Iron to alloy. And the process I could see them undergoing was what you guys described above. And on the tags on the parts on shelvessome with dates that were old even then. I remember reading names like Pierce Arrow and Benz and Offenhauser. It was in Indianapolis after all. I cannot believe that place still exists after all these years. Probably doesn't, but if it does and I needed that service, I'd go there. I'd travel a ways to go there.
 
Couldn't the skirt be fixed by getting them bored then having liners put in. Not something you'd want to do after paying for an undamaged item off of e-bay, getting the refund is much better. But will iron liners work in a set of Iron barrels? Asking because I have a set that have a skirt broken almost exactly like that one. Cj
 
cjandme said:
Couldn't the skirt be fixed by getting them bored then having liners put in. Not something you'd want to do after paying for an undamaged item off of e-bay, getting the refund is much better. But will iron liners work in a set of Iron barrels? Asking because I have a set that have a skirt broken almost exactly like that one. Cj
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Fitting a thick liner to replace the skirt is possible. However, there is not enough wall thickness and the liner will break trough between the ribs on several places. This means reduced heat transfer and reduced mechanical interlocking, apart from the poor looks.

-Knut
 
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