Fast Eddie
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Agree with Fast Eddie that the COVID-19 deaths need to be seen in context and we'll see how the ONS (UK) stats change. These at least seperate respiratory disease from COVID-19. The numbers for weeks 11-13 show the respiratory disease death levels relatively static at 1488, 1514, 1534 whilst COVID-19 deaths are 5, 103, 539 for the same 3 weeks. Looks like a pattern to me but as ever more data would help and will become available.
The numbers of recorded covid deaths do increase in weeks 11,12,13, that is true. But it is not a trend, or even a meaningful pattern yet, until we can demonstrate that those deaths are actually extra deaths.
This will take some time, but now we know where to look, we can actually look for this rather than relying on media headlines.
My own personal hypothesis at this stage is that the number will show ‘extra’ covid deaths, but that they will less than the ‘1000 per day’ headlines.
BUT...
Even if you do think the lady in the video is a nut job (which she may well be for all I know), you surely cannot discount every quote and example she gave? She clearly demonstrated that there is an underlying skew in the way deaths will be ‘assumed’ to be covid caused.
Also, the NVSS document above shows the same.
And even our U.K. ONS statics do as well, it uses the phrase “Deaths involving COVID-19”... NOT deaths caused by COVID-19.
I’m not a Doctor, so I may be looking at this wrong, but to my mind ‘deaths involving’ can mean:
1. People who would not have died otherwise and were killed by covid-19
2. People who would have died imminently anyway, irrespective of covid
3. People who would have died soon anyway, and death was earlier because of covid
4. People who died whilst having covid even though it was not the cause of death
5. People who die with the ‘check list’ of covid symptoms but actually didn’t have it at all.
There may be other categories to my 5 above. But the only one that really matters is number 1. Everything else is ‘noise’.