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Tornado said:
Wrong

Dr. Aiken was addressing the claims being made on many social media sites. It is basically a level headed response to those claim. Ill add that you have claimed repeatedly these gov'nt organizations are "making hay while sun shines" , not letting a crisis go unused. You have not shown how anyone org actually benefits from such inflation of numbers, nor have you shown the new guidelines distort reality in any meaningful way. The reality outlined by Aiken is there is most likely a huge undercount of cases and deaths.
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You evade what I said.

Your fake fact checker denied a claim that no one made; I quoted your Dr Aiken. Same straw man argument
 
xbacksideslider said:
You evade what I said.

Your fake fact checker denied a claim that no one made; I quoted your Dr Aiken. Same straw man argument
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And once again, I have addressed your statement of "strawman"....she was referring to the conspiracy claims on social media....just like the ones you yourself have eluded to multiple times on this subject. Not a strawman if those claims were being made.

And for your continuing bleating about the CDC guidance, I have already stated I'm not an expert on how death rates are tallied. Neither are you. If you want explanations, I suggest you stop asking for one here in a motorcycle forum and go and ask the CDC folks directly.
 
Is anyone still watching Trump’s daily lie-in? Soon, the networks, other than Fox, will realize many are not watching when Trump is on.
 
Tornado said:
And once again, I have addressed your statement of "strawman"....she was referring to the conspiracy claims on social media....just like the ones you yourself have eluded to multiple times on this subject. Not a strawman if those claims were being made.

And for your continuing bleating about the CDC guidance, I have already stated I'm not an expert on how death rates are tallied. Neither are you. If you want explanations, I suggest you stop asking for one here in a motorcycle forum and go and ask the CDC folks directly.
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Obviously, you have not read both documents.

I can lead a horse to water but I can’t make it drink
 
JimC said:
Is anyone still watching Trump’s daily lie-in? Soon, the networks, other than Fox, will realize many are not watching when Trump is on.
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Haven't seen one in weeks. Although I did enjoy that little propaganda piece he had his golf caddie make for him.
 
I had expected this:

The Mercy Navy medical ship in LA...was to be only handling non-COVID patients from the region to relieve local hospitals. Now they have an outbreak aboard with several personnel being taken off for treatment.

 

For those in USA and elsewhere who have not seen this on the BBC website:

Coronavirus


A 99-year-old army veteran who has raised more than £3million to help the NHS in the fight against Covid-19 has vowed to keep going even
though he has smashed his original £1,000 target.

Tom Moore aimed to complete 100 laps of his Bedfordshire garden by Thursday, walking with the aid of a frame.

However he has now said he will not stop and hopes to do another 100.

NHS Charities Together, which will benefit from the funds, said it was "truly inspired and humbled".

Nearly 170,000 people from around the world have donated money to his fundraising page since it was set up last week.

Mr Moore began raising funds to thank the "magnificent" NHS staff who helped him with treatment for cancer and a broken hip.

He hoped to walk 100 laps of the 25-metre (82ft) loop in his garden in Marston Moretaine, in 10-lap chunks, before his 100th birthday at the
end of the month.

As funds topped the £1m mark earlier, "Captain Tom", as he is known, described it as "almost unbelievable".

"When you think of who it is all for - all those brave and super doctors and nurses we have got - I think they deserve every penny, and I hope
we get some more for them too."

Money raised by him and others for the charity is being spent on well-being packs for NHS staff, rest and recuperation rooms, electronic devices
to enable hospital patients to keep in contact with loved ones, and working with community groups to support patients once they have been
discharged from hospitals.

Mr Moore was born in Keighley, West Yorkshire and trained as a civil engineer before enlisting in the army for World War Two. He rose to captain
and served in India and Burma.

"I do [laps] each day, so that eventually I'll get to 100, then after that I shall continue and do some more," he said.

The support so far had been "absolutely fabulous", he added.

"Let's all carry on and remember that things will get better," Mr Moore said.

"We have had problems before - we have overcome them - and we shall all overcome the same thing again."

Go to the UK BBC website and be inspired

PS I saw a photo of him on a motorcycle, sadly looked like an early Scott rather than a Norton, but hey-ho :)
 
Great effort, might not have been required if the Tory party had not spent the past 12 years gutting investment in the NHS!

Let's not forget that Boris Johnson (so recently extolling the virtues of the 2 [foreign] nurses who wouldn't now be able to apply for immigration permits due to their salary being below the cut-off) voted to block a pay rise for the NHS & applauded the result (as did Hancock & many others on the current Tory front bench).

One can only hope that the PM & hopefully his colleagues have a Damascene conversion, though I suspect that once everything retuns to 'normal' they'll resurrect the privatisation of the NHS.

Still, Rees Mogg's Somerset Capital Management (& Hedge fund managers such as Crispin Odey) say they'll make a packet from the stock turmoil & they're all registered in tax havens, so it's an ill wind etc....

Sorry, rant mode off.
 
If Trump were to have two brains, one would be the size of a BB. The other would be an itty bitty one.
 
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Fast Eddie said:
Yes, that’s a good point.
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In the U K you will no longer get a air ambulance coming out to you if you have an accident in the middle of nowhere, some have been grounded and the medical staff deployed elsewhere to fight of this coronavirus epidemic. So, stay at home and be safe.
 
JimC said:
You conservatives have been denigrating the Kennedys for years. Now you want to present a Kennedy as irrefutable proof. You people are sure screwed up.

BTW, your president, Trump, today cut funding for the World Health Organization. Brilliant! Cut funding of the WHO during a pandemic. TRUMP IS DANGEROUS TO EVERYONE’S HEALTH!
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Ummm, why is there an RFK jr video about childhood heath issues from toxins in a corona virus thread?

That's two recent viddy by XBS featuring anti vaxer folks. I sense a pattern developing here.
 
I think it is important to not confuse the general issue of ‘normal’ health service funding with the topic of emergency scenario planning / disaster response funding.

Investing more in the NHS to improve normal services would not / could not ensure its ability to react to an unknown pandemic.

What’s needed is warehouses full of PPE and basic equipment where a minimum inventory of x million is constantly maintained, the stock is managed to ensure FIFO (first in first out) so the inventory contained is always good and ready to use.

Also, the Nightingale temporary hospitals that have been erected brilliantly and quickly, need dismantling (when this is over) and storing in such a way that they can be erected even faster in future.

And vast numbers of health workers should be officially held as reservists, and kept topped up with training etc.

Normal health service funding and management is one topic, disaster response is another. Both need reviewing, but the latter is the one that’s really, really urgent.
 
South Dakota’s governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the US’ largest coronavirus hot spots.

Such edicts to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus, Gov. Kristi L. Noem said disparagingly, reflected a “herd mentality.” It was up to individuals — not government — to decide whether “to exercise their right to work, to worship and to play. Or to even stay at home.”

“South Dakota is not New York City.” she said.

Noem is one of five governors representing relatively rural states — North Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska and Arkansas are the others — still resisting such calls. All are Republicans, and all have used similar justifications for going against the national grain.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ff90fe-7daf-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html
 
oldmikew said:
There was a pandemic in the Uk in 1957 ... resulted in 14,000 UK deaths and drove the economy into shut down .Sickpay alone amounted to £10,000,000 which in 2020 currency is a huge amount of money.

The Brits had just lost the empire , suez and Idare say the ashes , but astonishingly 2 years later Macmillan won the 1959 election with the slogan ' you have never had it so good'

Now,in contrast ,people are terrified. Panic buying etc ,
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Not quite sure what your point is, but I'd venture late '50's UK was an entirely different animal. We still had all our industrial base, energy industries etc.. I'm guessing that personal borrowing wasn't the way of life that today seems almost necessary. Someone else here described today's economy as: 'Consumer lead...' I'd go further and suggest it's consumer credit lead, which will always be a house built on sand... How we're going to 'Turkish Barber' and 'Nail Bar' our way out of this one Lord knows!
 
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Stanford university medical professor says the actual death rate is orders of magnitude less than previously thought

It’s the denominator!

We need hundreds of smaller size group samples, say groups of 1000 or more, taken across say 100 cities
 
That’s laughable! Whatever you are trying to prove you are failing miserably. It’s much easier to accept the premise the deaths from CORONAVIRUS are underreported rather than over reported.

Keep trying XBS. Good for a laugh, anyway.
 
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