Commando Weslake

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A picture of the Commando framed Weslake engined bike I raced from about 1990 to 1999.
The frame was pretty much standard except for a JPN style modified swingarm and a Norvil headsteady.
The engine was adapted in to slighlty modified isolastic cradle and front mount.
Oil tanks featured recently in another thread and this one was custom made, designed by me but welded by someone who new how to weld. It goes across the full width of the frame and simply sits in the vee of the frame rails, held in by a couple of rubber bands. Having gotten paranoid with stock tanks breaking their lower mounts and leaking this tank has no holes or drain pulgs underneath. Its easy enough just to take it out and turn it upside down.
I copied the idea from either the 71 or 72 JPN racers which did something similar. The ignition is Interspan so I didn't have to worry about fitting a battery and the tank holds about 8 pints.
The other feature discussed recently on the forum was the swing arm mount. You can't really see it here and I'll try and take some more photos of it but it fixed the wearing cradle /sloppy spindle problem. It used a couple of top hat bearing inner races that spigot into the spindle hole in the cradle. They are an interference fit and are pulled in by a grade 8 1/2 inch through bolt. Can't really claim the credit for this one as it again was a JPN idea that Norman White told me about. I have previously done the set screw and collar mods on another bike. The screws were 1/4 inch and threaded into the swing arm spindle itself. They snapped. So I went with the collars and they seemed to work. For the race bike I thought the JPN method was a better engineering solution.
The fuel tank is a Norvil fibreglass and I ran it for many years using race gas, leaded ERC 110 Then all of a sudden one year it rapidly delaminated. I asked ERC what they'd done to their fuel recipe and they eventually admitted thay had recently added " Co solvents" whatever they are. I guess this was a precursor to all the ethanol in fibreglass tanks issues we're having now.
I retired this bike in 1999 and put the engine gearbox and running gear into a Seeley Mk 2 frame - but that is another story

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I saw 2 Weslake engined specials when I was in London back in June at the Ace Cafe.
Don't know how these guys got them licensed for the road. They looked and sounded like they had come straight of the track! They were awesome. One was in a Seeley frame the other was in a featherbed. Beautiful bikes. I tried to google some info on them when I got home but came up with nothing.
I've got some photo's I will post later. Stay tuned.
 
Quite a muscular steam punked looking power plant compared to say Mark F's avatar. Top hat bearing in cradle noted for future. Now we know what type geometry crank lurks in there too. Peel your eye lids back and knee caps off.
 
Weslakes Triumph based , so theres a Commando Triton ? , back wheel too . . . At least the Box is Norton ? :lol: :?

Looks like the Early Triple Clamps too , ? for more castor ? , How many million revs will the Weslake run out to . . . 8)
 
Here you go, feast your eyes on this lot.
Any idea how many of these engines were produced?
Hobot yeah it does look a bit puny in comparison. :roll:
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Matt Spencer said:
Weslakes Triumph based , so theres a Commando Triton ? , back wheel too . . . At least the Box is Norton ? :lol: :?

I always assumed the Weslakes were Norton-based but looking carefully now I can see the strong resemblance to the Triumph.
 
Thanks for posting those. I always loved the looks of the Weslake timing cover.
 
Alrighty i'm now well filled and fested on Westlake wonders I can hardly relate too looking at my stock Combat whimp. Kinda extra hydrid looking d/t the utilitarian shapes of components based on accents of what was replaced. Road going even more impressive out of place and time. I like looks like anyone and appreciate what these close looks reveal as well as conceal but like yoose guys its more important how it feels in the saddle under way. i do find it interesting/distracting to attach a Commando label to these when everything Commando has been eliminated. My Peel has a goal trying to retain as much Norton Commando as possible where I find it an advantage to do so or no need to eliminate it, just massage it some. I don't want any excuses after severe spankings by pointing out it ain't really an isolastic Commando 2 valve obsolete. Cheating is part of racing I hear so fair game in public too.
 
Around 1970 Speedway was all Jawa Vs Weslake , The Weslake 4 Valve prevaled with development untill Jawa was finally
forced to do a 4 Valve to be competitive . These were of course 500 Singles , you see the odd one in a ' Manxish '.
(unless thats a Nourish Manx ? :? :lol: )

Ive seen adds from 1968 when the Weslake 8 valve was marketed as a conversion for the Triumph 650 .
Tests in the Aus. & English mags , around 1970 . Then the Meridan ' TSS ' was a production version ,
I think the speedway commitments took prevalance in production back then . Later it became neccesary
and / or expediant to do ' the rest ' so as to be able to bolt the top end on something a bit tougher .

You can see the Chaincase Lugs on the cases , and the splayed Triumph type Pushrod Tunnel / Tubes .

http://www.gurney-weslake.co.uk/

http://www.192.com/atoz/business/oakham ... 88fbfe/ml/

Apparently this is them now , were in a few ' Rickmans ' too , in days of olde . :mrgreen:
 
G'day SeelyWeslake,
Are they a 1000cc motor. The mateing of two 500s.?
Surprising how much more modern the lay down engined bike looks compared to the upright.
As Mat said, we saw a lot of 500cc Weslake stuff over here during the 70s and 80s and of course there
were the 4 valve conversions for Jawa and CCM.
Also Weslake made a V twin for their 'Grass Track Outfits' which unfortunately were a bit outgunned
here, up against big Jap motors in the Unlimited Class.
AC.
 
Don't know whats in the fbed and Seeley framed bikes but I'm guessing one of them is perhaps a 950 given the height of the barrell. Mine is a 750 and the Weslake twins were a complete engine design in themselves,ie nothing common to the speedway singles. To expand on Matts history of the twins - Weslake built the Triumph 8 valve conversions for the Rickmans which went on pre unit and T120 bottom ends. Weslake saw the need to build a stronger bottom end and designed one during some quiet time in about 1971. However they got too busy with the speedway singles and turned the maunfacture of the twin engine and the conversion kits to Dave Nourish ( Nourish Racing Engines NRE)in 1976. He has been building them ever since and still is. I bought the first engine off him in 1989. The other 2 bikes might be original Weslakes. The only original part left on my engine is the timing cover and valve covers, pretty much everthing else has been blown up or was collateral damage. The TSS was Meriden's atttempt at the 8 valve and although they borrwed some tooling from Dave N they did it all themselves and it kinda showed.
The engine layout is similar to a Triumph in that it has cams fore and aft driven by gears but these engines have Norton oil pumps and the crancase bolt pattern is the same a Manx Norton ( fits straight into a fbed).
The original Weslake twins missed the boat in roadracing vs the2 strokes but they did well in England sidecar grasstrack and moto-x where they competed with 920 Nortons and 1000 Wasps.
At the time I built the bike I could have gone the Norton engine route but although the tuning stuff was available to get similar power there wasn't the Maney and JS stuff available to be able to keep the bottom end together reliably. Norton hot rodders have got it pretty good now.
AC - I'm envying you your riding weather right now. I'm from Adelaide originally ( left in 1978) and where I'm at right now its snowing and it probably won't quit raining/snowing till next July.

Apologies to hobot for putting this in the Commando section but as swoosh correctly says the rest of that bike was very Commando
 
Matt Spencer said:
. . . At least the Box is Norton ? :lol: :?

Not in the Featherbed its not, and in the Seeley, surely you can only say the box is AMC based, could be Quaife, TTi.... :D

But actually I think its great to find these pictures. My Rickman will be called a Rickman Norton. Frame will be the only original Rickman part, no copy. Suspension Maxton. Gearbox 'AMC based', Clutch drum Maney or Hemmings The motor will be 'Commando based', Maney Cases and Crank, probably barrels, definately Schmitt (Carillo) rods and pistons, maybe cam and valve train, would love to have a Fullauto Head. Carbs will be Amal!, and I am sure some internal parts like the timing gear and oil pump will be from Andover Norton, and the timing cover will proudly say Norton though! even if at an angle :D
 
hi everybody i think i recognise that blokes brushed aluminium hair, could that be the legendary Mike Lansdale!!!!
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tootall Paul said:
hi everybody i think i recognise that blokes brushed aluminium hair, could that be the legendary Mike Lansdale!!!!
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Mick, get off the computer!
 
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