BREXIT(?)

With Scotland and Nthn Ireland potentially wanting to stay in the EU, this could well lead to a dis-United Kingdom ?
(Would that make it a DUK ?).

Wonder what Her Maj thinks of these shenanigans ?
 
The people of Wales haven't indicated a wish to remain "European" so, even without the Scots and the Northern Irish it would still qualify as a "United Kingdom". It will be interesting to see if the Catholics of Eire and the ardent and often belligerent Protestants of N.I. will merge. More likely Hell will freeze over?
 
Rohan said:
With Scotland and Nthn Ireland potentially wanting to stay in the EU, this could well lead to a dis-United Kingdom ?
(Would that make it a DUK ?).

Wonder what Her Maj thinks of these shenanigans ?


re; "Wonder what Her Maj thinks of these shenanigans ?[/quote]

Before the EU Referendum vote, Her Majesty was asking almost everybody she met if they could give her 2 good reasons why GB was to stay in the E.U.

You can’t get much better than this, as the new PM has appointed Boris as the Foreign Secretary :D :shock:
 
Some very interesting comments here! I am looking forward to a new style UK and we as a country outside the EU (not outside Europe) will be leaner and quicker to adapt to world markets and opportunities. The EU is slow and cumbersome and operates more like a Facist state.
One thing Brexit has done is to galvanise opinions and generate debate all over the UK, I can't think of any other political event which has involved more people than Brexit! which is definitley a good thing for democracy.
 
Bernhard said:
Before the EU Referendum vote, Her Majesty was asking almost everybody she met if they could give her 2 good reasons why GB was to stay in the E.U.

You can’t get much better than this, as the new PM has appointed Boris as the Foreign Secretary :D :shock:

Her Maj probably was a bit redundant in the EU
Now she has her empire back (well, when it happens).

Boris as Foreign Sec sounds a bit like a bull in a china shop ?
But he seems very capable of deflecting negativity and defending hisself....

Note though that the 100th anniversary of the Oct Revolution is coming up next year.
Monarchies all over europe in 1917 were 'concerned' it might spread - to them. !
Maybe this is the modern equivalent ?
 
I hope our trade delegation gets over before the Aussies :D
BREXIT(?)

What have you got to swap, last time it was Austin Allegros and Hillman Hunters?
 
Morgans, JCB's, Jaguars, Range Rovers et al, Nissan's, Toyota's and so on. Last years car production was 1,682,156 and growing, with the drop in the £ the imported parts will cost more in £ but the UK costs will be lower in $ or € so car makers will be more profitable.

Plus most F1 cars are made in UK, rally cars are made in UK even if the body shell is made overseas eg Prodrive.
 
As for the high cost of labor in the "advanced economies" versus the low cost of labor in the "emerging economies," it is a crime that real estate prices were not allowed to collapse after 2007-2008.

Because of decades of Keynesian money creation, all kinds of things are bid up with easy money. This is why real estate, all across the "advanced economies" is too dear. Manufacturing and residential real estate generally is far cheaper in the "emerging economies" which do not have powerful central banks creating "keystroke money."

This is a major part of the disparity in costs of manufacture. Compared to the 3rd world, 1st world employers have to pay too much for their industrial space and too much for their administrative office park area. Employees also have to pay too much for their residences; together, these two factors set a floor on the prices of manufactured goods and the wages that are incorporated in them.

This is not the only problem of course. The overall burden of government is also disproportionate. There is just much more of it, in all its forms, in the "advanced" economies and that puts them at a disadvantage, all things equal.

But, all things are not equal, the "advanced" economies, despite the millstone of government around their necks, still have entrepreneurs who innovate, who find ways around their inherently high cost structures. This is why Brexit is bullish for Britain.
 
You should move to one of these 3rd-world countries where everything (including human life) is cheap, business is unfettered by government and people live in mud huts on $4 per month for 10 hours a day seven days a week. Real estate is cheap there and regulation is non-existent.

Jack Welch once said that businesses should be based on barges and towed from port-to-port, anchoring wherever taxes and regulation are low and labor is cheap. Wonder where he lives?

I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that you live where you live based on the amount of money you make for what you do. Or are you just doing California a favor by gracing the state with your presence?
 
Actually very interesting reading. Sure it wanders a bit but the truth is the basis of the B-exit is all about the stuff discussed.
Right now, in America, it seems that we are about evenly divided and so until one side wins the mess will continue. In EU the
problem is Germany and France pretty much are the big players. The little guys really cannot match up. They simply cannot.
So at some point the whole deal will just either collapse or just grind slowly to a halt.

Whenever things get to where they are now some sort of disruption will occur. Plenty of effects of the brexit are just an unknown.
Life itself is like that. Central control of all things offers some stability but a great deal of worry that some idiot will
get control and screw up. Or with the EU, a pack of idiots.

We all get used to business as usual. We get used to small time and easy corruption. We go along to get along. We figure
the boat will float during our time. We look the other way.

Maybe it is time for change not because we want to but because we have to.
 
Considering that the UK/BUK has just approved the renewal of the Trident nuclear program,
and Mr Trump is talking of restoring the US's military strength,
it is very likely that very little is really going to change
The military/industrial machine just has to be catered to... ??
And we all, ultimately, serve that machine..
 
Post referendum vote - latest report this week, the economy is slowing, yeah right, that is why the machine shops I visit are mostly 10 to 12 weeks to get booked on the machines. It should have read, rich bankers in the industry losing money as the economy settles to a sensible level. It seems that when banks and the financial sector feel the pinch every other part of industry gets included.

Can't wait to leave, our manufacturing industry will crush what is left of europes heavily subsidised manufacturing base, and all the crap about car production moving to europe - why do they build them here now, it's because it's cheaper and will be even cheaper still when we finally leave, and some of the German manufacturers currently send their items for process here as well for whatever reason. The pound will make no difference as the owners will ship parts in for assembly at their price and pay no duty as the parts will leave as an assembly to go abroad.

And for all you Aussies - your duty limit has just been raised on what you can import from the UK, so there is bonus already.

It is not the UK scared of leaving the EWho, it is them scared of us leaving.
 
Military spending is what my friend used to call "middle call welfare". Keeps a lot of technical people at work in good paying jobs.

Rohan said:
Considering that the UK/BUK has just approved the renewal of the Trident nuclear program,
and Mr Trump is talking of restoring the US's military strength,
it is very likely that very little is really going to change
The military/industrial machine just has to be catered to... ??
And we all, ultimately, serve that machine..
 
I don't give a damm what happens, each country should be able to do what ever they want without any pressure from other countries here in Aussie land our pollies suck up to the US of A all the time, we go to war when the US want to go to war, don't get me wrong I have a few good friends over in the USA, but what gets me going we are a large country with a small population, we are spending more money than what we earn and a lot of our money is spent on wars where we souldn't even be there just because the US whats to save the world and all it does is we dig a bigger hole, when does it stop.

Don't get upset if I offend some but this is my opinion and a lot of Aussies think the same, we can't keep spending money we don't have, our pollies have sold us out a very long time ago and the hole gets deeper that we can't get out of.

Its about time we start talking motorcycles again, isn't this what this site is all about.

Ashley
 
rwalker28 said:
Military spending is what my friend used to call "middle call welfare". Keeps a lot of technical people at work in good paying jobs.

No denying that. Thats why folks say we are all part of the machine.

BUT, military spending is what keeps a lot of the wealthy very wealthy.
Big business, big profits. Very big profits.....
 
How does the bit where the EU say they once your out of the EU you can't do separate deals with various EU countries.
Surely that means the Germans can't sell the UK cars and so on...seems unlikely?
 
72Combat said:
How does the bit where the EU say they once your out of the EU you can't do separate deals with various EU countries.
Surely that means the Germans can't sell the UK cars and so on...seems unlikely?[/quote.

And that's the point. The UK is Germany's biggest export market in Europe, they cannot afford to jeapodise that, so sensible trading arrangements are certain to be established.
 
ashman said:
I don't give a damm what happens, each country should be able to do what ever they want without any pressure from other countries here in Aussie land our pollies suck up to the US of A all the time, we go to war when the US want to go to war, don't get me wrong I have a few good friends over in the USA, but what gets me going we are a large country with a small population, we are spending more money than what we earn and a lot of our money is spent on wars where we souldn't even be there just because the US whats to save the world and all it does is we dig a bigger hole, when does it stop.

Don't get upset if I offend some but this is my opinion and a lot of Aussies think the same, we can't keep spending money we don't have, our pollies have sold us out a very long time ago and the hole gets deeper that we can't get out of.

Its about time we start talking motorcycles again, isn't this what this site is all about.

Ashley

Don't worry about offending any Americans, Ash. Many of us would like to see US imperiialism halted and more effort (and $!) expended on citizens here at home. We can spend untold billion$ (not to mention lives and blood) on "nation building" and exporting our culture, but if you spend anything on American citizens, it's branded "socialism".
 
Danno said:
ashman said:
I don't give a damm what happens, each country should be able to do what ever they want without any pressure from other countries here in Aussie land our pollies suck up to the US of A all the time, we go to war when the US want to go to war, don't get me wrong I have a few good friends over in the USA, but what gets me going we are a large country with a small population, we are spending more money than what we earn and a lot of our money is spent on wars where we souldn't even be there just because the US whats to save the world and all it does is we dig a bigger hole, when does it stop.

Don't get upset if I offend some but this is my opinion and a lot of Aussies think the same, we can't keep spending money we don't have, our pollies have sold us out a very long time ago and the hole gets deeper that we can't get out of.

Its about time we start talking motorcycles again, isn't this what this site is all about.

Ashley

Don't worry about offending any Americans, Ash. Many of us would like to see US imperiialism halted and more effort (and $!) expended on citizens here at home. We can spend untold billion$ (not to mention lives and blood) on "nation building" and exporting our culture, but if you spend anything on American citizens, it's branded "socialism".

I feel better now after going up to the shed to do some work on my mates Norton motor putting in the new main bearings and conrods while having a few quite beers and find the new cam trush washer I have somewhere in the shed from my last rebuild, this is a lot better than worring about the problems that is happening all around the world and my GOVT will make me pay higher tax on my already high taxed beer to try and fix the mess that they have got us into, damm I can't bloody well win.

Ashley
 
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