BREXIT(?)

and I always had the misconception that our British friends were so pragmatic.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... -leave-it/

Yep, the sheep voted to stay, now they wonder why they did that . . . . .

They listened to the organs of the British state, court journalists and economists.

Cognitive dissonance won the day. There's a credibility gap. We have it too.

xbacksideslider said:

Yep, the sheep voted to stay, now they wonder why they did that . . . . .

They listened to the organs of the British state, court journalists and economists.

Cognitive dissonance won the day. There's a credibility gap. We have it too.

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Actually, they voted to leave, or am I misunderstanding your post. In any case, the pound has been hit, so it's probably a good time here in the US to be ordering all those goodies from Andover.

Ken

Is it like working for a company and they overlook you and get in cheaper staff, one day you say I think I can go self employed.
You get the freedom that goes with being your own boss but then realize that there is quite a bit more to running a business.

Yes Ken, my attempt at sarcasm made it difficult.

I had to comment since the linked headline and article invited the reader to assume that those who voted "for" exit were the ignorant ones, that they were the "after the fact" googlers. Those searches may well have been dominated by losers, those who voted to stay.

The public, here and there, has undergone a change of mind, people grant less credibility to establishment authorities and their minions than in the past.

Actually, I think the Brits are very pragmatic, as the cartoon in this link depicts ....

http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/upl ... _thumb.jpg

Slick

N U T S.

Apart from the fact that both Scotland and Nthern Ireland now are likely to want to leave the UK,
if Brits will work for £1 a day it might all work.
If Trump become Prez, and Murricans will work for 50c a day then that might work too...

Capitalism has always been a shaky house of cards, it doesn't take much to upset the applecart.
This might be the final nails in the coffin, before we all retreat to our IronAge hillforts ?

texasSlick said:

Actually, I think the Brits are very pragmatic, as the cartoon in this link depicts ....

Slick

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Seems about right to me. I was laughing at the people who thought Greece might go next considering they are the ones bleeding the EU dry. :roll:

With an ~$18 TRILLION $$$ gov't debt, the USA is not exactly in good shape either. ?
Mr Obama has done a good job just keeping an even keel, in very tough times.
Maybe Mr Trump thinks the USA can just default, and go it alone. ??
Like Venezuela or Argentina.

Or Zimbabwe...

Rohan said:

Apart from the fact that both Scotland and Nthern Ireland now are likely to want to leave the UK,
if Brits will work for £1 a day it might all work.
If Trump become Prez, and Murricans will work for 50c a day then that might work too...

Capitalism has always been a shaky house of cards, it doesn't take much to upset the applecart.
This might be the final nails in the coffin, before we all retreat to our IronAge hillforts ?

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How is socialism any better? Keep an eye on Venezuela's utopian oil rich state where lack of food
Is causing widespread looting of stores. Oh, poor Hugo must be turning in his grave!
Sadly, the concept of modern iron age hill forts doesn't sound so far fetched.

Unscrambling globalisation was never going to be easy.

Sadd'am nationalised the oil industry, and look where it got him !

What was it that Winston Churchill used to quote ?
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Walking through the city centre in Southampton and 3 out of 4 conversations are in a foreign language.

Sister in law is a classroom teaching assistant - 30 kids in a class and over 20 different languages spoken.

How much money public money wasted on the saga of Hamza the hook due to EU red tape.

2 stroke engines, remember this one, ban them from europe as they pollute the streets - until the fat cat commissioners realised just months before that is was due to come into force they would be unable to cut firewood.

We were are all of one europe, but if a company wanted to sell a batch of a product to France, then it could only be done with approval from the French authorities if it could not be made in their own country with subsidised funding, look at the recent strikes in France they can no longer afford the subsidies that support their manufacturing base

Portugal, Spain, Greece and Italy will all be calling in a solution to their euro cash crisises that have been kept quite - stay in and pay, no chance,look what Greece cost so far.

No wonder we decided to leave that tinpot collection idiot dictators behind - the other member states will soon see this, Junckers call the shots and just who did elect him.

As for Obama coming her and saying we should stay in shows just what little he knew - maybe he has an agenda for the North America Union to be formed with Canada, the USA and Mexico and introduce a currency called the Peso across all three, somehow I think hell would freeze over first!!

As for leaving the EU, well we might have voted to and if we don't leave quickly we never will, Article 50 needs all 27 to agree and each has a veto - watch this space!!

Looks like the poms are going to get a git with bad hairdo as well

As an American, I'm sure I don't have enough information to decide for the Brits what they should do, but the end product of globalization is an averaging of all living standards. So take the living standards of your industrialized nations and and average them with that of third-world nations where people pick through garbage and live in mud huts to subsist and that will be your end product. So if you're living above that average, you have lots to lose by globalization and if you're living below it, you have lots to gain. But is is really those living in below-average conditions who push for globalization? Or is it a small minority who have lots more to gain to add to an already way-above-average lifestyle? Those are the folks who preach that globalization is inevitable.

So, was the formation of the EU a regional attempt at globalization or did it just turn out that way? Depending upon how one answers this would dictate how a British citizen should have voted. Of course, the sheep are always those who disagree with me.

As an American, I'm sure I don't have enough information to decide for the Brits what they should have done, but the end product of globalization is an averaging of all living standards. Take the living standards of your industrialized nations and and average them with that of third-world nations where people pick through garbage and live in mud huts to subsist and that will be your end product. If you're living above that average, you have lots to lose by globalization and if you're living below it, you have lots to gain. But is is really those living in below-average conditions who push for globalization? Or is it a small minority who have lots more to gain to add to an already way-above-average lifestyle? Those are the folks who preach that globalization is inevitable.

So, was the formation of the EU a regional attempt at globalization or did it just turn out that way? Depending upon how one answers this would dictate how a British citizen should have voted. Of course, the sheep are always those who disagree with me.

@Danno

Well said post above. I would add .... the elites are for globalization, for the elites.

Slick

As has been said by several well-known persons, over the last many years, communism works well until you run out of other people's money.

If you don't have the guts and wherewithal to weather a protracted financial / economic storm, you damn well better buck up and do what you can. Big governments are running out of tax dollars faster than they can raise the taxes. Government debts to communist overlords are past the breaking point, ESPECIALLY in e US with the biggest real national debt on the face of the earth.

There WILL be change. It will be BIG. It will NOT be for the faint of heart.

God bless us all, and protect the weak.

Apocalyptic? No, not yet.

We have left the EU not Europe, maybe we can CAD plate old brit parts again as that was an EU directive, they are just about to ban the safe weedkiller Glyphosate by forgetting to renew its licence with no alternative available. They have already reduced the max wattage of vacuum cleaners and now intend to do the same to Kettles, hairdryers and smartphones. No one asked for any of these initiatives except lobbyists but you have to keep the bureaucracy in employment, 33000 and rising.

As I posted on another thread, a lot of the British populace were getiing PO'd by the amount of interference in what were UK-specific issues by the French and Germans. Also, joining the EU was a solo decision by the then Prime Minister, with no referendum, and a large proprtion of the citizenry disagreed with the move.

Why it took 43 years to build up enough resentment to reach Brexit is a puzzle to me. I would have expected it in the first 5 years! I expect to see other "exits" coming in the near future and perhaps the collapse of the EU back to what it was originally supposed to be - a free-trade alliance, not a political entity. France and Germany may be the only ones remaining politcally connected.

At least the UK government denied the change of currency from the pound to the euro, and kept the mile and the pint (even though they were redfined relative to the kilometer and the liter). There will be a period of chaos, but we Brits are used to that!

On the whole, I'm glad we're 5000 miles away from the mess!