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Bike tax in the UK

Discussion in 'Norton Commando Motorcycles (Classic)' started by Matchless, May 20, 2018.

  1. Matchless

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    I have just taxed most of my fleet this morning including the three Nortons. I have been waiting for the MOT exemption to come in to force. My question is this; as we no longer need an MOT, do not have to display a disc, & the powers that be know if a vehicle is insured from the database they hold, why do we still need to fart about taxing the bloody things??
    Maybe someone could enlighten me.
     
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  2. kommando

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    UK is Disc less for tax and has been for a year or 2. The MIB database holds all the insurance details for the Police but takes a few days to be updated by the insurance company so you need to carry your Ins Cert for a couple of weeks after its setup as proof of insurance, no proof and it gets impounded. Yes you need to tax, even though it is free the fine for not having free road tax is the same as for paid road tax.

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    Confirmation of vehicle tax.

    Thank you for using DVLA Vehicle Licensing Online.
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    Vehicle Tax Period: 12 months
    Vehicle Tax Amount Paid: GBP 0.00

    The law has changed, you do not need to display a tax disc, therefore we will not issue one to you.

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  3. Fast Eddie

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    It’s all a massive load of bollox.

    What other licensable pursuit requires you to register NOT to have a license?

    Do I need to register to NOT have a shotgun license, fishing license, TV license, etc, etc?

    NO!

    But I need to register when I DO NOT have road fund license, and even though they already know this.

    It is very wrong, on many levels, practical and principle.
     
  4. Onder

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    The best part is you get fined !
    Ever meet a politician? It can be amusing...
     
  5. Reggie

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    I have two tax exempt vehicles, the Commando and the T160. Both had start /renewal dates for road tax on April 1st 2018.
    I got a reminder from the authorities (DVLA) to re-tax the Norton for £0.00 and duly did so, and despite not receiving a reminder from the DVLA to re-tax the T160, I was sure I had re-taxed it using the V5C information at the same time as I taxed the Norton.
    Whilst checking on the DVLA site the dates of MOT's and tax renewals for some other vehicles that I own, I clicked on the T160 and it said "Not taxed!" Uuugh........I was sure I had done it?
    So I taxed it online for £0.00 six weeks late, and got a message from the DVLA saying that as there was a break between the expiry date and the renewal date, and that as the vehicle hadn't been "sorned" that I may be hearing from the DVLA about this...........which I assume means a fine?
    A fine for not paying my tariff of £0.00 on time..........yes that sounds very logical. :mad::mad:
    I will wait and see what happens.
    Sorry for the slight deviation from topic.
     
  6. kommando

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    Yep expect a fine for not paying £0.
     
  7. Onder

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    Politics is the naked pursuit of money. YOURS.....it does beggar the imagination.
     
  8. Nortoniggy

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    Yes it's all a bit of a joke. The new MOT exemption just throws more confusion into the pot.

    Ref carrying your insurance certificate to prove you have insurance. Waste of time. Anyone with five minutes spare can make themselves an official looking certificate and the police know this. So if your vehicle is not on the MIB database the police won't accept a piece of paper, they will phone your insurers to check. No idea what might happen if your insurers are unavailable!

    In the eyes of the law people are innocent until proven guilty, unless you are a driver/rider in which case you are guilty and have to prove your innocence.
     
  9. Ibex

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    If you give an email address when you tax it (free or not), you can get an email confirmation. It has always worked OK for me.
     
  10. Matchless

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    It strikes me that this is just another poorly thought out piece of crap to make modern life more stressful than it really needs to be. When will government departments realise that life is suppose to get better due to technology, & not worse. Sorry if this is begining to sound like an episode of Grumpy Old Men.
     
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  11. baz

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    Another thing to remember is the remainder that they send is an act of courtesy they are not obliged to send you a tax/sorn reminder,
    I got fined once because I had a frame registered to me stored in my shed that was sorned
    I got an automated fine , when I asked why I hadn't been sent a reminder they told me they don't have to!
    These days you only have to sorn it once
     
  12. Fast Eddie

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    Perhaps they’re not as incompetent as you think...

    Perhaps it’s part of a carefully orchestrated and gradual process to legalise old vehicles off the road for normal use...

    Jus’ sayin’...
     
  13. baz

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    That's exactly what it looks like to me
     
  14. Onder

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    Agreed. Hiding in plain sight. Soon these bikes will be considered unsafe, dangerous and pollution-disasters.
    Comfort yourself and realize we will either be dead, infirm or unable to obtain petrol sooner than this happens.
    Cold comfort that is.
     
  15. oldmikew

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    Perhaps you heard of the man who paid his gas bill and then received a demand for £0.00. He thought it a computer oversight and ignored. He gets a reminder and threats to cut off his supply. He contacts them and points out the bill has been paid . They agree, another bill is issued for £0.00
    with more dire threats. To cut an urban legend short he resolves the issue by sending a cheque for £0.00

    Just a problem with the systems analysis and IT ho hum...

    The TV licensing authority are knocking on the door to ask to see the license for the TV they know I do not have and do not need a license for.

    The Road tax sagas seem to be part of how the world is run these days...
     
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  16. Reggie

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    Ibex wrote; If you give an email address when you tax it (free or not), you can get an email confirmation. It has always worked OK for me.

    I've checked back on my emails and there is confirmation for the Norton being "taxed" but not the T160. I can only deduce that it's my escalating senility that made me think I'd dealt with the T160? :confused:
     
  17. Onder

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    Just got my fourth notice that about TV tax. Im threatened with agents entering my house with a legal writ. I have no TV. The old aerial is now
    at kerbside with the sat dish that I pulled off yesterday.
    Suspect this and the bike tax is all just computer generating mailings. Seems to me they expect us to pay them to go away...
     
  18. SteveA

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    I don't know this, but sort of recall that if you view TV programmes online, you still need a TV licence.

    You also need a TV licence in France, it is 138€, the nice people at the Impots just sent me my money back because they recognise I am old and on a low income.....but you will have to be over 75 to get a free licence in the UK!

    On the topic of not being SORNed or taxed, they may not fine you for paying £0.0 tax, that but they will then check your insurance status. I moved a bike from the UK to France and didn't SORN it before departure. Technically you cannot apply for SORN unless the vehicle is physically in the UK. Upshot was they wanted £100 for it being uninsured when it wasn't even in the country, and would not let go of it until I sent the 'permanently exported' portion of the V5 back!
     
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  20. Fast Eddie

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    Ariel is a dead give away?!

    I would GLADLY go to court and defend myself against that...

    As far as I know, there is no legal requirement to hold a licence for an unused ariel.

    I had a friend who went through this kind of thing. Basically, he discovered the authorities are full of lies and assumptions.

    They repeatedly lied to him saying that their ‘detector van’ had caught him ‘receiving signals’. But he genuinely had no TV or radio.

    They simply assumed he MUST have one and tried lying and bullying and harassing.

    They picked the wrong bloke on this occasion, but it’s still a very poor show.
     
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