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the sad thing in this statement is a DEMOCRACY is NOT what the US is supposed to be. it was set up as a Constitutional republic. I have NO use for a democracy as the simplest definition is. 2 fox's and a chicken deciding what is for dinner. I would sure hate to be the chicken.

rvich said:
Remember, democracy is an experiment that is ongoing.
 
Modern Norton don't like ideas from outside. They are still repeating the mistakes the old Norton business made.
I suggested something to them about their target market dreams a while ago.
Well, wouldn't you know !
Got a shitty reply from some young goof who went on about company bull shit. Didn't answer in respect of my suggestion but harangued me for offering one.
I replied that I would not buy one of their bikes if that was the way they felt.
I didn't. Was going to. Glad I didn't.
They still haven't learned the lessons history has to teach. No matter if it's modernising tooling or marketing or public relations.
I see that they have shot themselves in the foot in so many ways, as was the way back in the day. Suppliers and customers aren't happy, just read popular media to see that point.
What's with them buying that old building ?
Do they think that it will enable them to produce better quality bikes and get them to customers efficiently ?
All old Brit bikes were cobbled together by semi skilled, or unskilled, workers.
Read the Velocette books to find out more about that lark. The workers moved to competing firms if the money was better and took their attitude with them.
I guess it all came down to the company owners.
Look at the BSA story.
Bull shit in, bull shit out.
I read an article about the first few Commando's sent to the States. Some were stripped and rebuilt correctly to be reliable for the magazine test session.
Despite all that I love my Velo and Commando.
I can and will rebuild them to the highest state of integrity.
Then thrash them mercilessly.
Then complain when they pop.
Then rebuild them and thrash them.
Then complain when they pop.
And so it goes.
Still the same old world isn't it.
Now I'm going to go for a rid on my mates new BMW 6 cylinder tourer which he dropped on my drive way recently at walking pace.
Anyone for tennis.
 
Throber said:
Modern Norton don't like ideas from outside.

Or, it's possible they just weren't particularly impressed with your ideas, whatever they were?


Throber said:
What's with them buying that old building ?
Do they think that it will enable them to produce better quality bikes and get them to customers efficiently ?

No, maybe not, (although inside I believe there's a modern office block) but the acquisition of the Hastings building that also comes as part of the deal probably will.

http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/news/n ... gton-hall/

Bed time, stories
 
Onder said:
USA cannot afford it either. We are in hock. Nobody really wants to deal with this. Both
side of the political divide. Politically, things get dealt with only when there is no other
choice, or they never get dealt with and the ship sinks. We blame politicians but
they are elected by us and a reflection of ourselves.
Human nature . We hate facing reality.
Rather like the british motorcycle industry was, eh?


True, indeed.

Great article, by the way, Les. also find prescient Grandpaul's George Santayana quote, "Those who forget the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat them"

Every country has its own foibles, as well as its own travails. In the good ol' USA we must say that we made our bed and now lie in it. I do believe in the purest economic sense that Keynes was right in declaring America's (and the world's) condition during the Great Depression not as a catastrophic failure of the machinery itself but as a "bit of magneto trouble." The same is true today. Our economic crisis is solved easily, but there are strong proponents of austerity that don't understand Econ 101, preventing a full, sustainable recovery. The Euro? Wow, won't even go there. What is completely unsupportable, though, is the relegation of national infrastructure and modernization as secondary to the drumbeat of the political fixation in the support of a hegemony in far-flung global hotspots, spending blood and treasure, and accomplishing little but engendering and spawning new conflicts and antagonists we can't even begin to see yet. We will pay for this lack of vision dearly. In the meantime, the infrastructure crumbles. Don't like it? Then you're not a Patriot. See those crumbling roads? They may flatten your tires and look like the Japs bombed them by night and the Seabees fixed them by day, but those are Freedom Roads. America, love it or leave it, bitches. Sewer system no good anymore? Those are Freedom Sewers. Tar sands pipeline burst in your neighborhood and spew poison into the water table, and now you'll have flippered granchildren? Buck up. That's the smell of Freedom, and beautiful, beautiful corporate/state/federal moolah $$$. Ignore past lessons at your own peril. It's all right there in front of us, to see or not see.
 
I've been forced to become a student of world history and affairs after doing a book report on cancer therapy and politics of science. If ya want the quickest low down on how the world has been taken over by the occult secret society guided fractional reserve usury system clans, read the little paper back called <World Without Cancer>, part 2, the Political Story. Also a second book called < Indian Givers>, the history of new world American natives abuse being the major source of the gold based money system the banksters used as a basis to loan out more than they have to back up the loans [didn't really loan or risk anything] yet never create enough fake money to cover the usury interest, so there is built in bankruptcy and failure, that the banksters use to harvest whole nations in cycles. This evil plot directly affects the value of exchange [money] and how much ya got left over to live on and buy stuff. What most misunderstand, is its not incompetence of the politicians screwing with us but them being controlled by banksters and emergency war powers invoked d/t the set up money crisis, again and again and again... Usury is a world wide cancer we can't not survive in the long run.
The whole centeral banks money system is based on pure faith and credit by brute force. When the people loose faith and ask for their 'money' and there ain't enough to go around...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=11&g ... bf36078722


If ya like Italian, French or India food and species, thank the real Americans...
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=11&g ... 39&bih=576

The few countries that have tried to deal in real substance money and exchanges outside this evil system, they get ganged up on and eliminated.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=ps ... ab.a0bCeP-
IXjA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45645796,d.b2I&fp=4e5c15bf36078722&biw=939&bih=576

For a sense of what it could and should be life for us all... Sixteen Things Libya Will Never See Again..
Global Research, disinfo.com and poorrichards.blog

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.

3. Having a home considered a human right in Libya.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.

8. If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.(A lot of it is unaccounted for, not merely frozen waiting to be reclaimed by a "legitimate" Libyan government, as with Iran, the money will never be returned)

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.

12. A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.

15. 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. (spent up to $30 billion on the project.....not a White Elephant project)
http://mostaqueali.blogspot.com/2011/10 ... ed-on.html
 
Hi, I like bed-time stories. The libyans of course pay for this out oil money supplied by the bankrupt western European countries who borrow it from China. China has all the money because they now now produce all the the rubbish you willing buy with your borrowed money. Great Britain is now bankrupt, and the Bankers all got Bonuses and Medals to be better crooks. The same in the USA. Germany incinerated them in the thirties and forties after robbing them to pay the bills for weapons. The USA gave Russia all their supplies during the War, which were stock-piled to buy favours and spread Communism in Africa. The USA practices Democracy in the manner of Star Trek, we come in peace, Shoot to Kill. At the end of the day the rich get fatter, and the poor starve, and today are controlled by the Micro-Chip, ie. big brother is watching you, and the thought Police. Next episode anyone?
 
Well if you ride a Norton it interfers with the microchip and your time aboard
is free from hassle and worry. :-)
 
No kidding, first the cars will get self reporting illegal use chips then all the new cycles. There's a fairly tale online about the sneaking around a fella does that at first seems like a spy story but its just to get to countyside and uncles farm w/o detection to put illegal gasoline in an illegal combustion engine kick start motorcycle and have a blast on the back roads.

The same in the USA. Germany incinerated them in the thirties and forties after robbing them to pay the bills for weapons.
Please read the World without Cancer short mean documented background on the "work camps", [or search it up] > every single one of them was on I.G. Farben factory grounds and this company was very much in the control of the City of London banksters and NY Wallstreet shysters but were day to day, face to face, actually run by privileged prisoners that were not part of the NAZI regime, but organized and under I.G. Farben direction. I.G.Farben is the daddy of all the major drug companies and fertilizer and pertroleum industry, so were the ones ordering and serving up victims for the medical experiments. They just hired bad Dr.'s that would do this even w/o being paid. The German people at large were rather decent as anyone can be, but of course evil ones forced everyone to be mean.

BTw Gestapo was not originally part of the German Govt, they were a preexisting industrial spy network of I.G.Farben, that essentially forced Germany to contract with as so much of German power and survival funneled through I.G.Farben. Gestopo was not part of NAZI military machine [no uniforms just fancy impressive coats] but had some authority over it.

If ya dig deep enough in the UK motorcycle industry you will find the first experiments in Marxism-Socalist engineering, turning over the company to workers, but not really giving them enough money or credit or other needs to pull it off, so reactions could be monitored to refine future applications. Must tract down the Govt side of records public statement during the factory megers to find these details. Marx got his start by the help of Rothschilds in THE City. Bank of England used to display the checks Rothschild wrote to Marx to get stuff published. Plain language is Govt wasn't really trying to save the industry as their financiers/owners were interested in other places more.
 
This is all pretty heavy stuff and important, but none of it is of any matter if I can get the new Madass brake to fit on my Mk3 :D

Glen
 
worntorn said:
This is all pretty heavy stuff and important, but none of it is of any matter if I can get the new Madass brake to fit on my Mk3 :D

Glen


Thank goodness, a man who has his priorities straight.
 
One lesson we all must learn in life : 'The system runs on bullshit' , and the question must always be QUI BONO ? ?
 
acotrel said:
One lesson we all must learn in life : 'The system runs on bullshit' , and the question must always be QUI BONO ? ?

Bono? Oh, now that's worthy of a thread on it's own. Rock and Roll Hall of fame, honorary knighthood, and a huge back catalogue based in Amsterdam to avoid tax ;-)
 
Ludwig,
Good point's, and your question "where did all the money go?" well proberly the same place as all the govement sell off's...Millions from British utilities. all this mega money, inc our gold reserve's just went up in smoke... I would like to see how many companies have finnished trading in the last 10 years. and mark my words Germany is next, Just heard that a major brick making machinery manufactor in Germany Hans Lingl] have started lay off's..170 men went last week...now thats a start.
How do i know..i work for them.

Bedtime stories , indeed .
What the **** did all those Brits do with that money if it didnt go into machine tools. Puts the West Germany UK engineering quality arguement into a completely different place in my mind. Especially since their factories were completely destroyed
Thanks again for the heads up.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

This is not the whole story, as GB was paying off after the war the Yank lend-lease plan - where do you think all those merchant ships and war ships came from that the Jerries sunk in to the bottom of the sea :?:
GB didn’t finish paying off this, until the last payment in the 1990s. FYI rationing did not end completely in the UK until 1954.
After the war there was a big drive in the UK to Export or Die! Of which the motorcycle industry played a (if I may say so) major part. This was one of the reasons why the UK customers couldn’t get hold of new bikes, cars even maybe up to the 650SS or an Atlas for the first couple of years of their production run.
 
I believe WW1 debts were still being paid up until the 1990s. Australia finished paying for it soldiers to be billetted in Europe, and armaments at around that time. It was interesting that the British negotiated a lower interest rate on those WW1 (1917 to 1918 war) loans, however never passed the lower rate on to Australia. Relative to population, our lives lost were the greatest of any nation involved in that war. Of course the the European wars were not really relevant to the US, they had nothing to gain by being involved.
 
My first post here so be kind.
I read somewhere recently that Britain spent all of its Marshall Aid dosh on setting up the Welfare State and National Health system. Which was brilliant at the time. I happened to be in Hamburg a few years ago for work, and the person I was talking to said that the problems that Britain went through in the 1960s, with bad management and worn out machinery was then being encountered by Germany.
The people putting Nortons together in the late 1960's and early 1970's were not Fitters, they were semi skilled people who were shown "put that there and secure it with one of those"
cheers
wakeup
 
john robert bould said:
Firstly The chances of being sold by a current vender a genuine Norton part are far,far remote.
When our venders claim "Genuine " it's just rubbish!
If anyone today believes that the part in a bag that is listed " Genuine Norton " then the buyer must be simple.
100% Correct. Regardless of who the vendor is in 2013, and whether the product is good, bad or indifferent.
 
wakeup said:
The people putting Nortons together in the late 1960's and early 1970's were not Fitters, they were semi skilled people who were shown "put that there and secure it with one of those"
cheers
wakeup

When I was serving my apprenticeship these people were labelled as 'dilutees', and they first appeared after WWII to cover the shortage of skilled workers. It gave Management carte blanche to hire anyone from that point until I was there in the '80s, much to the frustration of the Trade Unions... who nevertheless got them to pay into their coffers by operating a 'closed shop'; i.e. Union only workplace.

Eeeh, them were't'days. :roll:
 
Some things never change. On our construction sites around Melbourne, employers recruit new arrivals as 'trades assistants', give them basic training, and use them to replace qualified boilermakers. A while back the union was doing safety inspections, and found a set of oxy/acetylene lines open without the torch ,pumping the mixture into a chamber on the main road bridge over our river, while it had traffic on it.
 
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