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Availability of 88SS and 650SS Front Mudguards

Discussion in 'Other Norton Motorcycles' started by Burgs, May 20, 2018.

  1. Burgs

    Burgs VIP MEMBER

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    Hi
    When handing over my original 1963 650SS ([HASHTAG]#24985D[/HASHTAG]) front mudguard to a club mate to repair I noticed that the front of it was not true and looks like it had a repair at some time.
    Looking from the back to the front the left hand side is missing about an inch, the bead had has been crudely rolled back under, at a glance you don't notice it but now I know it is there.

    So I was just wondering if anyone knows of a supplier of these guards which are not the Atlas style with the deep valance, I know there are plenty of Indian made Atlas ([HASHTAG]#19291A[/HASHTAG]) guards available and I think there maybe a maker of the guard listed as an 88 guard, but bit hard to tell from the photos.

    Best Regards
    Burgs
     
  2. Burgs

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    Well bit the bullet and ordered a set of Indian made mudguards to suit an 88, there add doesn't say they will fit a 650SS but the parts book dose say they do.
    So we will see how long it takes to get to Australia and what they are like when they get here.

    Looks as though there are quite few for sale by different suppliers using the same photos, hope they haven't picked a good photo and have send something else?

    Burgs
     
  3. Burgs

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    Club mate dropped off the repaired mudguards and has done a wonderful job, so now looks like I waisted some money:(.

    Anyhow it will be interesting to compare the two sets, I suppose.
     
  4. Paul W.

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    Post some pictures. I have to repair my rear mudguard, as a PO drilled a hole in it. Or I have to find a replacement, which may be difficult.
     
  5. Burgs

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    My front mudguard, had at sometime been fitted with a number plate mount that was held in with two 1/4" bolts, one of the holes cracked through and apiece about 3/4" fell out along with a couple of cracks radiating out, I TIG welded both holes up and cracks.
    The 1/4" hole was easy, but the bigger hole was a bit of a pain, may be I should have cut the hole bigger and welded a patch in, either way it came out good.
    I left the weld metal a bit proud of the holes so the mate had something to work with.
    Next part is to work them with wet and dry ready for chroming.

    I will post a couple of photos when I work out how to do it again, must write it down this time.
    Burgs
     
  6. Leonc

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    I just recently got a set of Indian deeply valanced guards for my slimline Triton and they are surprisingly good. When compared to an original they do lack some strengthening plates and the rear guards tail differs slightly in shape, but overall fairly satisfactory.
    Still for the money paid and considering I had nothing to work with, I am pleased. Also the chrome appears to be much better that some Indian chrome that I have seen on smaller items.
    Good luck, Leon
     
  7. Burgs

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    Hi Good to hear.
    I have just spent the afternoon cleaning up the originals for chroming, big job I reckon I am only half way through.
    Will take to the platers to get copper coated and then keep polishing until they are happy with the finish.

    Indian Ebay site still says they haven't posted yet, even though they were in stock, two plus weeks ago???
     
  8. Leonc

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    Mine did take a long time, much longer that most items, 5-6 weeks?
     
  9. Burgs

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    Hi Leonc
    Ok sounds like they came the long way!

    I am now having a bit of a rethink on the chroming, might have the originals painted black as I am a bit over chrome guards at the moment.
    Looking at my spare parts manual it has black guards as being an option, 2498B and 25060A for the 88SS and 650SS, might make a change to all the chrome guards.

    The original primary chain guard was black and I will have it repainted black again.

    Burgs
     
  10. Leonc

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    Hello Burgs,
    My theory was that if the Indian guards turned up and the chrome was inferior, I would paint them mercury blue for something a bit different. Since it is a Triton originality is not a big issue, but it has to look good to my eye.
    I would agree with what you are proposing, as you have the best of both worlds, chrome or black as it suits you!
    Regards Leon
     
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  11. Burgs

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    Guards turned up a few weeks ago, all the radius were to big, so basically garbage bin jobs.
    Continued working on the original guards and they are coming up good.
     
  12. bad_friday

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    Please state which shop is responsible for the garbage to prevent others from making the same mistake.

    Fritz
     
  13. Burgs

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    Hi Fritz
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    Royal Chopper, they basically did a good job but failed badly with the radius on both guards, they had the cable lugs in place on the rear guard and the brake cable lug as well, a bit over size to the originals though.
    Mounting holes were not in the right place and oversize.
    It's a shame really as they had a good go otherwise, who knows if they had just spent a little bit more time it would have been a different outcome.

    Burgs
     
  14. robs ss

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    I have a set of valanced guards but they have some holes that are wrong and I'd like to fix.
    What is the best way to plug a hole so that you wouldn't know one was there?
    I've seen truly awful results where someone has attempted to weld them up - very bad distortion.

    Rob
     
  15. Burgs

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    Hi Rob, the holes in my front guard were about 19mm triangular in shape, I TIG welded them up but in hindsight I should have cut a piece of sheet and TIG welded it in place.

    What I did is, I bent a piece of copper plate to the shape of the guard about 50mm square, clamped this to the top of the guard, then TIG welded from underneath.
    Then gave it to a club mate who finished it off, the copper allows you to weld up without burning away the parent metal and the finish is fairly smooth, used this method a few times fixing keyways out in the field.

    Burgs
     
  16. robs ss

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    Thanks Burgs - I'll try it on a ratty one first before progressing to the better ones
    Cheers
    Rob
     
  17. mdt-son

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    Maybe the indians supplied you with a version for a 19" wheel?? I am a bit puzzled by these numbers - [HASHTAG]#24985SD[/HASHTAG] is listed for bikes having a 19" front wheel as well as some Norton models (650 Manxman/99SS) and the Matchless G12CSR which were specified with 18" wheels. Surely they must have had different part numbers?

    -Knut
     
  18. Burgs

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    The 650SS has 19" wheels, these guards look like they would fit[FONT="Trebuchet MS",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif] [/FONT]a 21" wheel :)
    Actually the first part of the Indian guards appears to start out correctly with the radius but goes pear shape about half way.
     
  19. Bernhard

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    Re; "Actually the first part of the Indian guards appears to start out correctly with the radius but goes pear shape about half way."
    what do you expect-they were made by an Indian after all!:(
     
  20. Leonc

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    That is a shame to hear.
    Mine were purchased from enfieldcountry_au and I note that there are a few bad feedback's over lots of trades, so maybe I got lucky? They were undrilled chrome and I reckon that I measured marked, checked and rechecked a dozen times before picking up my drill and going to the point of no return!