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i too remember that quote. it's relevence?
Blackstones principle, although it is hardly his own.

It means the preservation of innocence is more important to society as a whole than the punishment of guilt.

One of the founding principles of Anglo Saxon legal thinking.
 

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and if want to hear the greatest speach ever. listen to , thier finest hour. then you'll maybe see what this great country sacrificed for the world. without it. you wouldn't be allowed your whining!
 

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Blackstones principle, although it is hardly his own.

It means the preservation of innocence is more important to society as a whole than the punishment of guilt.

One of the founding principles of Anglo Saxon legal thinking.
agreed. but did you have to answer for him? lol
 

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and if want to hear the greatest speach ever. listen to , thier finest hour. then you'll maybe see what this great country sacrificed for the world. without it. you wouldn't be allowed your whining!
for all you yanks. i'll allow abe's was as good. gettisburg
 
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Easy to wag a finger at whoever works in the Home Office but surely we Brits are not supposed to be so arbitrary and lacking in humanity, nor should our officials be
I think the British sense of 'fair play' is legion, but I do think we're beginning to lose a few fingers to those we have fed...
 

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Hey, I just stumbled upon this little digression and thought I'd offer a bit of info for our mutual benefit. That's all bud.
i was having a laugh with you. you were correct. i just don't think who i was debating with had a clue. ;)
 

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In four days us Americans will be celebrating the ultimate "ashamed to be British" holiday!
with the help of the ,French. Germans,Spanish and everyone else we were fighting at the time 3000 miles away. not bad for a little limey country! ;)
 

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with the help of the ,French. Germans,Spanish and everyone else we were fighting at the time 3000 miles away. not bad for a little limey country! ;)
the irony being. without the british you wouldn't have a computer to communicate on a british www. lolol
 
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This brings to mind a quote I remember from school (wow.... Listen to me... I guess some it it actually did rub off), not sure who originally said it but it goes like this: it's better that a hundred guity go free than one innocent be incarcerated or hanged. Seems kinda crazy until you think of yourself being the one innocent one, and without the resources to defend yourself adequately.
I too remember the Lord Cheif Justice Bill Deedes making that quote, the same principle applies today as it did then.
 
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This brings to mind a quote I remember from school (wow.... Listen to me... I guess some it it actually did rub off), not sure who originally said it but it goes like this: it's better that a hundred guity go free than one innocent be incarcerated or hanged. Seems kinda crazy until you think of yourself being the one innocent one, and without the resources to defend yourself adequately.
Whilst I can buy into that sentiment wholesale... Our legal system (available to all) is set up so no-one should be: 'without the resources to defend yourself adequately'
Throw in some very high profile instances of previous offenders 'going free' and committing some quite heinous acts, and it gets awfully hard to try and think 'the right thing' all the time..
 
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I too remember the Lord Cheif Justice Bill Deedes making that quote, the same principle applies today as it did then
P.S. look up the Wikipedia trial of the Balcombe Street siege, were 4 members of the Provisional IRA were having a stand off with the London police just as the conviction of the Guildford 4 were convicted.
All because a few good men ....... did nothing.
 

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or it could be they were caught red handed and decided to take the fall for every crime!
 

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This brings to mind a quote I remember from school (wow.... Listen to me... I guess some it it actually did rub off), not sure who originally said it but it goes like this: it's better that a hundred guity go free than one innocent be incarcerated or hanged. Seems kinda crazy until you think of yourself being the one innocent one, and without the resources to defend yourself adequately.

That’s a good point, and certainly one that provokes thought.

However, just to play devils advocate for a moment....

If the 100 guilty that go free are all habitual offenders and each of them go on to commitment multiple heinous crimes... do we still agree that it is ‘better’...
 
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It's hard to reply without going back to the ultimate: Capital punishment/Murder scenario.
We always mention 'innocent' when talking about the perpetrator.. Yet other 'innocents' should be considered, no? Can you imagine the impact of losing a Mother/Father on young children? Sadly it isn't only the poor sod in the casket who is a 'victim'.. many more suffer in the fallout of most crimes...
 
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It's hard to reply without going back to the ultimate: Capital punishment/Murder scenario.
We always mention 'innocent' when talking about the perpetrator.. Yet other 'innocents' should be considered, no? Can you imagine the impact of losing a Mother/Father on young children? Sadly it isn't only the poor sod in the casket who is a 'victim'.. many more suffer in the fallout of most crimes...
No law is perfect, if it was we wouldn't have this problem.
 

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the people that finance the murders are equally culpable. no mention of ira finance. wonder why?
 
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