Are full face helmets really safer than open face helmets

Smoking causes cancer, pretty well an established fact, but it's a statistical study that if you smoke you are on average more likely to die earlier than if you did not. There are plenty of true stories of long lived individuals who smoked but lived long and healthy lives, but they are exceptions that do not disprove Smoking damages health as they are outliers in the data. As with seat belts and helmets the statistics say on average they save lives but there will always be circumstances where they in fact will make the accident results worse but these will be rare.
 
Ashley I read earlier that you're not a glove aficionado but one ex racer told me that if you ever go down to make fists. Makes sense to me but I dont hear it stated that often. Maybe were all told it at some stage of our motorcycling lives but maybe some haven't heard it before.
 
I went from no helmet , to open face , to open face with flip up shield , to full face ..... once I got used to full face coverage could not understand how I managed without full coverage .... while I don’t expect the full face to save me in all circumstances , it is by far the best bug stopper ! , they are quiet and comfortable , best head rig for me .... like the Shoei brand ....
 
I went from no helmet , to open face , to open face with flip up shield , to full face ..... once I got used to full face coverage could not understand how I managed without full coverage .... while I don’t expect the full face to save me in all circumstances , it is by far the best bug stopper ! , they are quiet and comfortable , best head rig for me .... like the Shoei brand ....

I’m a Shoei man too.

I almost always wear a full face on the 961... it muffles the ‘cement mixer full of scrap metal’ noises much better than the open face job!
 
Ashley I read earlier that you're not a glove aficionado but one ex racer told me that if you ever go down to make fists. Makes sense to me but I dont hear it stated that often. Maybe were all told it at some stage of our motorcycling lives but maybe some haven't heard it before.

I’ve not heard that before, it makes sense to avoid fingers being pulled back and damaging them, or wrists, etc. But I’d say it’s only sensible if you make a loose fist, tightly tensed up arms wouldn’t be a good idea IMHO.

It’s all kinda acedemic really though as it is rather difficult to remember such details when your going arse over tit!
 
back when i was rich before i started my commando project i spent $300 on a davida pudding bowl because it looked cool...i rode a few times with it and felt rather naked and vulnerable ...sold it
 
the germans did a study a number of years back, corrolating motorcycle accidents with helmet impact on the road. if i can find it i will post the link. in this study they claimed that ~60% of the impacts were on the front covering the faceshield and chin guard. .. i also had a friend who out for 1 month due to contact with a fixed object while wearing only a half helmet. broke most of the bones in his face. hes never been the same , and has issues.
 
Ashley I read earlier that you're not a glove aficionado but one ex racer told me that if you ever go down to make fists. Makes sense to me but I dont hear it stated that often. Maybe were all told it at some stage of our motorcycling lives but maybe some haven't heard it before.

Its just me I like to feel my bike bare hands on the handle bars and throttle I feel the bike better, I can't stand fully enclosed gloves but I use light leather gloves on the dirt bike and I have a pair of leather fingerless gloves for summer time but still perfer no gloves at all, in winter I have fingerless gloves with leather out side with a warm lining inside, my mates think I am crazy as my fingers are still exposed to the cold but it don't worry me and I still feel my bike through my fingers, I do have full gloves for extreme cold riding but it don't get that cold in our winters here coldest gets about 6c and like I have said been riding for over 45 years now and still have all my fingers my face is still ugly lol and the few times I been down my hands stayed on the handle bars I only let go when needed or safe to do so to slide away from the bike.
When I do come off I try to relax my body as much as I can, if you stiffen up you are going to have more damage, in my younger days I have had my share of gravel scrubbed out of open gashes, bring tears to your eyes but its got to come out to heal.
Some say I am a tuff bugger but really I just bite the bullet and put up with the pain.

Ashley
 
In the mid 70's, club racing at Willow Springs, in SoCal, I went into turn 3, leading the field on a "production" RD350 but with an "open" chambered RD400 on my tail. I was told that he came in hot and tapped my rear wheel. I high sided into the middle of the "Omega."

I was wearing a first generation full face Bell Star. That helmet was NOT upcut at the back. Those helmets, old timers will recall, were flat across the bottom from front to back. They would sit on the hood of a car, or on your bike's seat without wanting to roll off.

Well, as Ashman related about his friend, my chin hit the ground, and my neck was levered over the lower edge of the back of the helmet. When I woke up in the ambulance on the way to the hospital the big bosomed blond blue eyed "candy striper" nurse went into her checklist - as I was looking at cleavage - and asked me to squeeze her hand - no go. Left hand? No go. Wiggle feet? No go. I saw terror in her eyes and - stupid me - wondered if I ought to be scared too. Being a noviate and lacking proper bed side manners, she yelled to the ambulance driver "Radio ahead, we need a neurologist, we got a 'quad'."

My gurney was parked in the hall of the hospital when the pneumatic doors opened and I heard spiked golf shoes clicking and scratching on the hospital hall's terrazzo floor. Then from those shoes came the loud call of the doctor "OK, there's another Willow Springs quad, where the hell is he?"

Thank God, it turned out to be a badly bruised spinal cord and as the doctor began his evaluation, my hands and feet began working again. He said "Keep him overnight for observation" and left.

About an hour later, my two racing buddies, who had collected my wrecked bike and tools and had loaded it all (along with their two bikes) into our old Ford Econoline, walked in.

They said nice things and then got to the point. "Do ya want a ride home or not? And, if not, then what do ya want us to do with your stuff?" Well, I was single and knew that my dad would be pissed if he had to drive a hundred miles to get me back home, so I said, "I'll ride home with you." The hospital, unsure of who was paying, allowed me to sign a waiver, handed me a cervical collar, and I was released.

My buds were gracious. They let me ride shotgun. The third guy sat, bent over, on top of the middle bike in the back, for the ride home.

Forty years later, I had to have surgery, five level cervical laminoplasty, to fix the damage done so long ago.
 
If anyone is really serious about their motorcycle PPE the chances are there are many other areas of your kit that are at least as important as helmet choice that are currently wrong / poor / inadequate.

I realize this may be a little off the thread topic, but, for a guy with little motorcycle experience what would be the recommended riding kit?
 
I realize this may be a little off the thread topic, but, for a guy with little motorcycle experience what would be the recommended riding kit?

1. A full face helmet costing at least $1000 dollars.

2. Ideally a one piece suit, failing that: A high quality leather, or synthetic abrasion resistant material, jacket with D30 (or equivalent) armour in elbows, shoulders, back and chest. Also an anti whiplash ‘hump’ on the back and in a bright, fluorescent / day-glo colour.

3. Trousers to same spec as above with D30 armour in knees and hips.

4. Boots, ideal two piece with carbon fibre inners and goat skin outers.

5. Leather gloves with knuckle armour, scaphoid protection and finger ties.

The above is a minimum. If you’re serious about safety you’ll need an airbag vest.

Anything less will attract the wrath of the safety experts.

Of course, if you’re REALLY serious about safety, you’ll keep the bike in the garage as an ornament only...
 
I have only ever written-off one crash helmet - I wore a flat on the top of it. The only time a full face helmet might have made a difference was when I gave myself a fat lip. It depends how you fall. If you react by tensing up and trying to save yourself, you can land very awkwardly. It is usually better to just keep your arms and legs gently together in front of you and tuck in and cop it sweet, In one race years ago, there was a guy taking great big steps beside my bike - he did a somersault and broke a lot of bones. Rolling if you crash is not good, so don't race on non-skid surfaces. I always race faster in the wet than I do in the dry, because it is safer, even though you are more likely to slip.
 
1. A full face helmet costing at least $1000 dollars.

2. Ideally a one piece suit, failing that: A high quality leather, or synthetic abrasion resistant material, jacket with D30 (or equivalent) armour in elbows, shoulders, back and chest. Also an anti whiplash ‘hump’ on the back and in a bright, fluorescent / day-glo colour.

3. Trousers to same spec as above with D30 armour in knees and hips.

4. Boots, ideal two piece with carbon fibre inners and goat skin outers.

5. Leather gloves with knuckle armour, scaphoid protection and finger ties.

The above is a minimum. If you’re serious about safety you’ll need an airbag vest.

Anything less will attract the wrath of the safety experts.

Of course, if you’re REALLY serious about safety, you’ll keep the bike in the garage as an ornament only...
Nigel, this sounds like racing gear!
The best, yes, but the advice is always the “best you can afford with the helmet as the priority”
I would not put my head in a £50 helmet but my Shoei NXR was only about £450 (about $600) and it is high spec. An Arai is about the same cost. Sidi boots - not quite as high spec as yours - are good for normal use. If you stick to established brands then you can’t really go wrong.
John
 
Read it again, carefully, and you may just detect the whiff of tongueincheekness...
 
If you stick to established brands then you can’t really go wrong.
John

Ok, being serious for a minute...

I think that is definitely true of helmets John, personally I don’t believe there’s much safety merit in paying more than you suggest either. Ive bought made to measure helmets before, but now I stick with Shoei and think it’s as good as I need.

But with jackets and trousers, I’ve seen plenty of fancy Dianese etc peeled open like satsumas.

With leathers, some of the off the pegs fashionable gear is nearly as expensive as made to measure by a specialist company, but no where near as good. My race leathers are MJK (Dutch) and are fabulos and we’re CHEAPER than the fashion suits. Hideout and BKS are two top made to measure suppliers in the U.K.

With textile stuff, I’m becoming a fan of Rukka and Halvarssons, their quality and attention to detail is impressive. Trouble is they tend to cater for the touring market and I can’t find much that suits the clip on riding position well.
 
Agree totally, never really a fan of dianese - was looking for an airbag jacket this summer but the “D” was overly complicated and bloody uncomfortable - hump pushes against the helmet in anything but a racing crouch. Just kept faith with my helite - might invest in their leather jacket soon (Xmas!?)
As for textile - I have used a triumph branded jacket for a few years now - copy of a halvarssons I think - but flexible. Liner removable for summer and vents all over but yes - more touring features than cafe racer - too many buttons to scratch the tank.
 
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