Anyone up for a Norton Electric in 2-3 years

I think the electric stuff is ok around citys (when their new) but electric cars will be the next ecological disaster , we get new and second had imports of EVs , the second hand ones batteries would be closer to 60 % left ,high replacement cost means its off to the special wreckers ,10-15 year life !! , all second hand batteries need special factory for recycling ,(china) imagine a stock pile of them awaiting shipping ,(if they'll take them) one might catch on fire ? and now they are looking to scrape the sea beds for materials for the batteries
Watch , "Planet of the humans " full documentary , by Mike Moore , and also some "Micheal Shellenberger " on You Tube There is plenty of Data from 40 + years that a lot of the Green movement isn't working . And those so called Bio Mass, Green power stations
1000s of them in the USA burning 40 chord and hour of green wood and chopped up tires , to keep your zero emissions ? ! EV on the road .
 
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BritTwit said:
it's all good because the tech is being pushed politically.
Norton have no choice, they have to develop EVs.
Call it anything like Voltron, The Juice, Electro, anything but Commando!:cool:
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The Electra perhaps :rolleyes:
 
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so what exactly will be better in terms of performance envelope with an EV Norton than, say, the current Energica bikes? There is no available next gen. battery that I have heard of yet, so it will be based on tech. everyone else has access to. So they can say it will go well, but range will be 80 miles like that.
 
Again guys this is good news, no it’s great news! Norton innovating and also being seen to innovate; that government money is always gonna be useful! It would appear that they are pretty serious about this venture and this should see them up at the ‘pointy end’ of EV development, if they can find the expertise - a British company (albeit with Indian backers). This will also be good for diversification right - the wider the range of quality machines the better Nortons chance of success long term.

The tech might not be there yet to make EV’s fully viable but at least this should see them positioned to adopt any new tech advances, if they don’t make any themselves. Certainly preferable to being sat on the starting line when other makers are already at the half marathon point, in a race to a full EV future; which I guess is where things are heading.
 
BritTwit said:
The whole rush to EV's is being pushed by the environmental lobbyists around the world. There will be a benefit to reducing vehicle emissions of course, but no technology should be rushed into production simply to satisfy activists.

EV's have come a long way since GM in the US introduced an electric car in the 1970's. It was terrible compared to the typical ICE vehicles in use then. Very limited range on lead acid batteries. The batteries were actually car batteries wired together, and weighted a ton, actually a TON. Charging took forever and the mileage was I believe, 70 miles. Of course there were no charging stations back then, so if you ran out of charge on the street or road, you would have to arrange a pick-up to get your vehicle home.

Today the EV's are more capable and charging opportunities are more available, but to my way of thinking, they still have a way to go before they can replace the overall utility of an ICE vehicle. Included in this is our electric grid which will have to be upgraded significantly to accommodate the needs of a fully electric vehicle society. All of this is in the future, and will not happen tomorrow, or next year, or.....

A few years ago I read an article about Porsche proposing to return to F1 racing if the FIA would agree to a rules change that required the use of Net Zero carbon fuels in competition. At the time I thought this was ridiculous because there were no such fuels. Since then, I have read several other articles in Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine about this very topic. Apparently, the aerospace industry has been working on developing economical methods of refining carbon neutral fuels from several types of biomass materials. It has been a joint effort between the Department of Defense, aerospace companies, US commercial airlines, and oil companies. The effort has been underway for over 10 years. The first step is to develop fuels for air transport, and military use called SAF, or Sustainable Aviation Fuel. The next steps are to develop other fuels for internal combustion use such as gasoline, and diesel fuel. All from sustainable sources - which means non-petroleum sources. The materials used are biomass which absorb carbon from the environment as they grow, then when they are processed and burned, the same carbon is released back into the environment, so no net increase of carbon in the environment, it's carbon neutral.

So the point here is that with carbon neutral fuels on the horizon, the reduction of petroleum use and carbon production, may also reduce the need to rush ICE vehicles off the roads in favor of EV's, that are really not ready for the job yet.
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By 2024, fuel in all MotoGP™ classes will be of minimum 40% non-fossil origin

By 2027, fuel in all MotoGP™ classes will be of 100% non-fossil origin

www.motogp.com

MotoGP™: racing towards the fuel of the future

2024 will see MotoGP™ move to sustainable fuels, launching a new global era of zero carbon fuels
www.motogp.com www.motogp.com
 
It may have been pointed out before, but remember the whole housing infrastructure is being railroaded towards 'non fossil' too..
So there'll be a step up in electricity demand from that quarter as well...

The future's bright, until we all decide to boil the kettle at the same time!!
 
Best thing with EVs , it will be saving the petrol reserves for our combustion engines , as long as they keep letting us drive or ride our Classics.
 
I don’t want to be a doom-monger,

But check out the film
The last motorcycle on earth

Available free to watch on Amazon Prime,

P.s you may need a stiff drink!

The future is not bright,
Let's just hope it's a long way off!
And not just round the next corner...
 
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Here's one for you's to think about

I'm interested in your opinions on the following,
A Norton with a Chinese ICE, and built in Britain, or a
Norton with a British EV built in Britain

A more affordable Norton built India, or a
A Norton manufactured in India and assembled in Britain, or
Must be 100% British?

Personally I have no probs with the Chinese engine,
But would really want the bike built in the UK

I could also accept an Indian built with Chinese engine but assembled in the UK

The ONLY electric bike I would have would be a mountain bike,
They make total sense to me
 
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joinerjohn said:
I don’t want to be a doom-monger,

But check out the film
The last motorcycle on earth

Available free to watch on Amazon Prime,

P.s you may need a stiff drink!

The future is not bright,
Let's just hope it's a long way off!
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A bit alarmist, but not that far fetched.
With the intent of globalism, and one world government (one size fits all) at Davos, the left will push the petroleum ban to the hilt.
I think what they want is really still unobtainable, EVs fully replacing all ICE vehicles.
It we try to replace fossil fuels completely, with solar and wind there will be huge outages in summer and winter peek use periods.
There is no way renewables can replace the need for fossil fuels in generating on demand power, which is something the western world has grown use to. See enough rolling black outs, and your favorite green politicians will be removed from office at the ballot box and things will return to normal. Just a matter of how much dislocation from the norm the electorate will accept before political action forces a return to sanity.

As far as vehicles are concerned, battery powered EV are just not up to the task of replacing ICE vehicles, with this relatively short range and long charging times. Also, the battery chemicals are toxic and require special processing at their end of life. EVs will not be real competition for ICE vehicles until their operation can match ICE vehicle operation. That won't happen until hydrogen fuel cells become affordable as a power source for EVs and the whole battery concept is scrapped. Toyota has a fuel cell auto, the Mirai today. It's too expensive for most people, but uses a hydrogen fuel cell to generate electricity. There are very few hydrogen refueling stations right now, but this type of vehicle points the way forward for EVs. It gets about 350 miles per fueling, and can be completely refueled in about 5 minutes. Pretty much like an ICE vehicle.
 
gortnipper said:
By 2024, fuel in all MotoGP™ classes will be of minimum 40% non-fossil origin

By 2027, fuel in all MotoGP™ classes will be of 100% non-fossil origin

www.motogp.com

MotoGP™: racing towards the fuel of the future

2024 will see MotoGP™ move to sustainable fuels, launching a new global era of zero carbon fuels
www.motogp.com www.motogp.com
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Porsche is the one that pushed the FIA toward this net zero carbon capture fuel future.
I wrote about this in a previous post. The military and commercial air transport carriers have been working on this net zero, sustainable fuel project for more that 10 years. Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine had several articles concerning the coming changes in the industry. The tech is very far advanced, and will be adopted by companies very soon. It involves SAF (Sustainable Aviation Fuel) for the aviation world and military, as well as civilian diesel and gasoline fuels.

Big changes ahead.
 
BritTwit said:
A bit alarmist, but not that far fetched.
With the intent of globalism, and one world government (one size fits all) at Davos, the left will push the petroleum ban to the hilt.
I think what they want is really still unobtainable, EVs fully replacing all ICE vehicles.
It we try to replace fossil fuels completely, with solar and wind there will be huge outages in summer and winter peek use periods.
There is no way renewables can replace the need for fossil fuels in generating on demand power, which is something the western world has grown use to. See enough rolling black outs, and your favorite green politicians will be removed from office at the ballot box and things will return to normal. Just a matter of how much dislocation from the norm the electorate will accept before political action forces a return to sanity.

As far as vehicles are concerned, battery powered EV are just not up to the task of replacing ICE vehicles, with this relatively short range and long charging times. Also, the battery chemicals are toxic and require special processing at their end of life. EVs will not be real competition for ICE vehicles until their operation can match ICE vehicle operation. That won't happen until hydrogen fuel cells become affordable as a power source for EVs and the whole battery concept is scrapped. Toyota has a fuel cell auto, the Mirai today. It's too expensive for most people, but uses a hydrogen fuel cell to generate electricity. There are very few hydrogen refueling stations right now, but this type of vehicle points the way forward for EVs. It gets about 350 miles per fueling, and can be completely refueled in about 5 minutes. Pretty much like an ICE vehicle.
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My thoughts exactly,

But even worse than scam that EVs ARE

The powers that be want personal transport done away with,
They want full control,

Maybe the huge price increases at the pumps are a ploy for us sheep to voluntary move to public transport?
 
BritTwit said:
A bit alarmist, but not that far fetched.
With the intent of globalism, and one world government (one size fits all) at Davos, the left will push the petroleum ban to the hilt.
I think what they want is really still unobtainable, EVs fully replacing all ICE vehicles.
It we try to replace fossil fuels completely, with solar and wind there will be huge outages in summer and winter peek use periods.
There is no way renewables can replace the need for fossil fuels in generating on demand power, which is something the western world has grown use to. See enough rolling black outs, and your favorite green politicians will be removed from office at the ballot box and things will return to normal. Just a matter of how much dislocation from the norm the electorate will accept before political action forces a return to sanity.

As far as vehicles are concerned, battery powered EV are just not up to the task of replacing ICE vehicles, with this relatively short range and long charging times. Also, the battery chemicals are toxic and require special processing at their end of life. EVs will not be real competition for ICE vehicles until their operation can match ICE vehicle operation. That won't happen until hydrogen fuel cells become affordable as a power source for EVs and the whole battery concept is scrapped. Toyota has a fuel cell auto, the Mirai today. It's too expensive for most people, but uses a hydrogen fuel cell to generate electricity. There are very few hydrogen refueling stations right now, but this type of vehicle points the way forward for EVs. It gets about 350 miles per fueling, and can be completely refueled in about 5 minutes. Pretty much like an ICE vehicle.
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Just remember the R101 was filled with hydrogen !!!
 
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