And so it begins

It is however easier for the individual to generate their own electricity than it is to drill and refine their own oil. In this regard electric vehicles offer more, not less independence from the grid.
Just a thought.
I thought electric cars can be centrally controlled ?
Or maybe just Tesla's ?
 
I thought electric cars can be centrally controlled ?
Or maybe just Tesla's ?
Yeah, I've heard something like that.
I'd like to believe that by the time grid separation and energy/mobility independence becomes a necessary freedom, individuals will have reverse engineered an autonomous electric vehicle.
 
The more EV's that appear on the road, the more the impetus to tax drivers by the mile.
So, we will pay for license fees as we now do, plus tax on gasoline for those of us still using ICE's, and then again for mileage by mandatory GPS reporting devices to be installed in all new vehicles.

More reason for me to hold onto my 1977 F150!

And those GPS devices, mandated so those driving EV's will pay their "fair share" of road use taxes, will be tapped to find who attended certain political rallys, and protest events,

Slick
 
The more EV's that appear on the road, the more the impetus to tax drivers by the mile.
So, we will pay for license fees as we now do, plus tax on gasoline for those of us still using ICE's, and then again for mileage by mandatory GPS reporting devices to be installed in all new vehicles.

More reason for me to hold onto my 1977 F150!

And those GPS devices, mandated so those driving EV's will pay their "fair share" of road use taxes, will be tapped to find who attended certain political rallys, and protest events,

Slick
In the UK at the moment electric vehicles pay no road fund license
I can't see this situation carrying on forether
 
The more EV's that appear on the road, the more the impetus to tax drivers by the mile.
So, we will pay for license fees as we now do, plus tax on gasoline for those of us still using ICE's, and then again for mileage by mandatory GPS reporting devices to be installed in all new vehicles.

More reason for me to hold onto my 1977 F150!

And those GPS devices, mandated so those driving EV's will pay their "fair share" of road use taxes, will be tapped to find who attended certain political rallys, and protest events,

Slick
Ez-Pass, road cameras, satellite images, facial recognition and smart phones if they want to know where you are/where you've been.
 
In the UK at the moment electric vehicles pay no road fund license
I can't see this situation carrying on forether

If EV's are the planet saving panacea they are touted to be, it should be fixed by law forever.
But governments have an insatiable appetite for money, an appetite that only grows with time.

Slick
 
The more EV's that appear on the road, the more the impetus to tax drivers by the mile.
So, we will pay for license fees as we now do, plus tax on gasoline for those of us still using ICE's, and then again for mileage by mandatory GPS reporting devices to be installed in all new vehicles.

More reason for me to hold onto my 1977 F150!

And those GPS devices, mandated so those driving EV's will pay their "fair share" of road use taxes, will be tapped to find who attended certain political rallys, and protest events,

Slick
I've got an 87, they didn't think much about mpg in those days
 
I can skin a buck, and run a trot line, Country Boys can survive.

....... Hank Williams, Jr.
I could quarter and butcher a deer at age 14. I could fillet fish and pluck birds at 10.

We already have deer, dove & quail at the ranch, and by golly I'm GOING to build that pond and stock it with Bass & Perch.
 
Just been told at work that all overtime will be stopped from Monday for the foreseeable
Most of our work is new build offices
Very little work has come in the drawing office for the last 2 years or so
Big offices in the square mile were our bread n butter work
Who needs them now?
As we work 2 years in advance on most projects this is no surprise
I feel sorry for the younger blokes one of them I know already uses a food bank
Once he's paid the rent ,put fuel in his car etc he still needs to feed his kids
I have been in a similar position myself but nowhere near as bad
Oh well
Get a job in the food industry, people always got to eat ,there is always work. .
 
If left alone, companies and people will resolve just about everything. IMHO, coal and oil should have already been replaced for electricity generation, heating, and new vehicles, at least in the country, by clean natural gas. Forget climate change and global warming - it's economics. BTW, if you really want clean, inexpensive, and a cleaner environment, study "breeder reactors".

At one time, IBM was the world's leader in business machines (typewriters, et. Al.). If they had insisted on sticking with typewriters, they would not exist today. Then later, they were the world's leader in mainframe computers and after that PCs. Again, if they stayed with the status quo, they would not exist today. Instead, they have continually re-invented themselves and have remained a part of the DOW since (AFAIK) 1979.

As consumers, once the price of an EV gets a little closer to the price of a gasoline powered car, the economics may force our hands. Depending on electricity costs in your area, charging an EV is probably much less per mile than gasoline. Add to that the maintenance costs and the EV should cost less to own and operate. Of course, if you drive long distances, that would not be the case with today's technology. In the past 10 years I've had no need for a car with a range over 80 miles (160 round trip) and I'm driving (wasting) a Mercedes E350.

Of course, if your electricity is produced using coal and you replace your gasoline (cleaner than coal) with electricity - probably a sum loss.

Other fuels mostly make no sense whatever. Hydrogen has been proven to be the best internal combustion fuel of all for emissions. However, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than it provides - sum loss.

In other words, there are many tradeoffs. I remember the coal bin in my grandmother's house. The "coal man" would open a trap door on the side of the house and shovel coal into the bin. The basement would fill with coal dust. Then to get heat, she would go to the basement and shovel coal into the furnace. It was a big day when the furnace was replaced with a gas furnace. Stink gone, coal dust gone, heat you could easily regulate, and so on.
 
@marshg246

I agree with you, Bro, on all but breeder reactors. They produce wastes that hang around too long. It is immoral to saddle the future generations with those wastes. And, we have had one too many Chenobyl's and Fukashimas's.

Your point that the free market is the best determiner of progress is well taken. If only the government would follow. With government, we have politicians who cannot run a lemonade stand, picking winners and losers in industry, and the winners are those who fund their election campaigns the most. That recipe gets us more politicians who are good at milking the cash cows.

Slick
 
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@marshg246

I agree with you, Bro, on all but breeder reactors. They produce wastes that hang around too long. It is immoral to saddle the future generations with those wastes. And, we have had one too many Chenobyl's and Fukashimas's.

Your point that the free market is the best determiner of progress is well taken. If only the government would follow. With government, we have politicians who cannot run a lemonade stand, picking winners and losers in industry, and the winners are those who fund their election campaigns the most. That recipe gets us more politicians who are good at milking the cash cows.

Slick
On the contrary, the normal reactors produce extremely "hot" waste that lasts a VERY, VERY long time. Breeder reactors are very different. I know wiki's are not perfect, but this is an interesting read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor

On your second point:

Just think of some of the presidents of late:
1st job, Governor, 2nd President
1st job, Senator, 2nd President
Lawyer for about 2 years, Senator for about 48 years, President

Those resumes don't strike me as people even able to understand the advice of their advisors on science, technology, economics, etc.
 
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