Amal Rebuild, What Do I Need?

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The time has come to dig into my Amals and I would like to know what typically gets replaced on a carb rebuild.
I have looked at a few rebuild kits and they vary considerably on the parts they offer.

Along with a parts list I am open to your tips and techniques to get through this process!

This is for a 71- 750 with around 10,000 miles on her. I don't recall having any issues 35 years ago when she was put down.

Gary
 
Gary, with only 10k miles on the clock the carbs will probably be not worn very much. The parts that usually need replacement on a worn carb are the needle and the needle jet. The throttle vave and carb body should be checked for wear, and it is recommended to replace the float needle with the newer type with the Viton tip.
After sitting in the the garage for so many years, of course, a good cleanup will be required, and the idle jets will almost certainly be clogged.
Hope this helps.
 
On my 69/70 S with 13K miles all I did was buy the stay up float and new needle valves (kit from Amal) a couple of gasket kits and some new SS screws for the float bowl and top. Make sure your needle valve seats and stops the flow of fuel with the petcocks open. Check the petcocks that they don't leak and replace if necessary. OB has some BAP that I got for about $17 ea. If the needle valves don't seat, you can polish them so they do. You can also check the float height with the bowls bolted to a flat piece of aluminum and some 1/4" tubing. Mine adjusted to a nice idle pretty quick after start-up. OB has pretty reasonable clear 1/4" fuel line and the crimp on ferruls for the original look. Clean the pilot with .016 guitar string or drill. Make sure with spray can of carb cleaner it is clear.

Dave
69S
 
Amal has a good technical section on their website. The links are provided in the Technical Section here as well.

https://www.amalcarb.co.uk/TechnicalDetail.aspx?id=11

The above link will take you to the page on rebuilding carbs. If you look at the top of the page you will see the "technical" section.

In addition to this, I would say that you want to make sure your mating surfaces are flat. Both on the bowl and the mating flange at the manifold. Check the manifolds as well.

Here is a link to another thread on something I discovered by accident while working on my carbs.

amal-carb-pilot-circuit-t8029.html?hilit= pilot

Russ
 
A few other thoughts on this. Don't try to reuse old clips on your needle. They get weak and pop off during or after assembly and can really drive you mad. They don't cost much, so you might as well order up a number of them and keep them around.

Needles and needle jets...unless you have gauges that allow you to accurately measure that tiny hole, just buy new ones and eliminate the possibility that it is worn out. You won't be able to tell with the naked eye unless it is really buggered. It has been reported here that if you really want to do it right you should get the gauges and check new ones as well. I have not gone this route yet, but yeah, once the seed is planted...
 
Some readers have strongly objected to this post so I am editing it.

I love the way Nortons run and feel. The handling and the motor is fantastic. But I think the best improvements you can make is with the ignition and the carburators. Norton went out of business just before they switched to electronic ignition and single SU carburator and that is a shame. It would have been a completely different motorcycle and might have made the difference. But it didn't happen. If it did happen then Norton lovers might have loyalty to a different brand of carb. I had always put up with Amal carbs until a customer had me install a set of Del Ortos that he supplied from Ron Wood. This was on a race bike with a race cam and it idled prefectly and hit on every beat at slow RPM. It was amazing. I could never get my Amals to work anywhere near that well - even re-sleeved. Some people are attached to their Amals and that is fine for them. But I have a lot of bad memories of kicking my brains out with rebuilt Lucas magnetos and rebuilt Amal carbs. I stuck with them because I was either stubborn or couldn't afford anything better. Now I know the difference and I've expressed my opinions about them. Some of you have expressed your own contrary opinon. That's what this forum is for.
 
jseng1 said:
The only only thing you need to permanently fix an Anal carb is a large and heavy hammer - a few quick strokes and it will never need maintenance again.

Coming from someone who has gratefully switched to flatslide carbs and will never go back.

Amal Rebuild, What Do I Need?

There are times when I think the moderators should be a bit more active and this is one of them.

You have a commercial interest in flogging aftermarket carbs and should restrain your enthusiasm in using the forum as a promotional tool :evil:
 
Use of the term "Anal" is not quite fair either...............many riders are quite happy with these carbs..............lol
 
My experience is the main wear area is the dang pot metal slides get beat and abraided to pass too much air to behave well at low openings. Also the casting of 932 size carbs cools un-even to leave barrel bore out of round and flange surfaces out of square brand new out of the box. A big round dowel and hammer can bring them closer to 'normal'. I need to find out what type plated or heavier material slides to buy. Brand new pair of carbs-slide on Ms Peel became easy to feel and see fluted worn grooves in under 7000 miles. ugh.

The other thing to be aware of is the white crust zinc oxide that collects in bottom of bowl and in pilot passage is imperious to any solvent and must physically be removed. It make not even look white if fuel residue also trapped with the crust so can fool its just fuel varnish - but still no solvent will do more than lighten its tint.

Best wishes getting all fuel connections to nip up dry before stripping threads.
 
jseng1 said:
The only only thing you need to permanently fix an Anal carb is a large and heavy hammer - a few quick strokes and it will never need maintenance again.

Coming from someone who has gratefully switched to flatslide carbs and will never go back.

Amal Rebuild, What Do I Need?


Why stop there, change the motor as well!
If you don't like Norton parts, don't own one.
 
Ok Gary
To check the condition of your slides to bore fit (with the air filter assembly removed, engine off) twist and hold the throttle cables about ¼ turn and with your finger in the Amal check for large excessive movement. Less than .010” is new…I think Bruce Chessell measured a new Amal at 0.007”. So if they are loose you will see this slop. This slop causes the airflow to not meter the fuel to air signal correctly. It will also cause the needle and needle jet to wear which causes more of the above. This has been covered in previous threads. Do a search and pick your way through them.
Plan of action.
1. Rebuild $. 2. Buy New Amals$$. 3. Buy different Carburetor$$$.

1. Rebuild:
Rebuilding is the cheapest route about $75 greenbacks for each carb… plus shipping… turn around time about 2 weeks. You will need also a rebuild kit like this http://www.amalcarb.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=2637 add that to your cost plus shipping. Bruce Chessel up here in Canada re-sleeves Amals and he can also get you your spares. You can also find US options for re-sleeving. While you are waiting use a sheet of sand paper/sheet of glass, or fine valve grinding compound and flatten your float bowl as well as your flange surfaces on your carburetors and your carburetor to head spacers 06-2711. There is a you-tube video on this somewhere if you do a search.
When everything comes back, re-assemble using this as a guide… http://www.jba.bc.ca/Bushmans%20Carb%20Tuning.html
Do not over tighten the float bowl to body screws and especially the flange to head spacer nuts. Too many (Silverback gorilla) owners… have over tightened and warped the slide to body tolerance and cause the slides to stick again. I would also do the modification of the new blanking screw to access the idle circuit pilot jet. You can use your old pilot screw and cut off the tip just before the threads. If you bought the rebuild kit you will get a new one. Read modification for blanking screw from above link.

2. New Amals:
Order LH and RH concentric mark 1 to match your bike year. I would custom order these slides http://www.amalcarb.co.uk/ProductDetail ... e&Id=37408
Instead of the standard zink slides or you will be facing the same music again with slide/body wear down the road…. similar zinc material that causes galling is why we have numerous companies re-sleeving Amals. You should order new float bowl filters if yours are ripped. I would check the filter also at the petcocks and make sure these are not torn or ripped. Ethanol fuel is not friendly to Commando fiberglass tanks and will dissolve the inside of the tank, which eventually goes through the carbs. This is the only line of defense for large bits of particulate floating up to your idle pilot circuit and clogging it.

3. Buy different Carbs eg. Mikuni/PKW
There are options here but you loose the ability to use the standard air filter assembly. Single Mikuni mods require new manifold, new fuel line, and loss of power at full throttle settings but better fuel economy, but biggest investment to do the same thing for a 40 year old bike.
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“The only only thing you need to permanently fix an Anal carb is a large and heavy hammer - a few quick strokes and it will never need maintenance again.”

I have more than a hammer and a Chisel in my Toolbox. This is reseved for the ones that remove the sump filter because they are too cheep to by the correct tool. :roll:

Quote:
”Coming from someone who has gratefully switched to flatslide carbs and will never go back.”

Coming from someone who re-sleeved 3 sets of amals who will stay put with the design. And I don’t sell carburetors. Plus I can tickle my bike before I put the boots to her.
:mrgreen:
 
In simple terms if you want to retain original appearance, and dont mind having to contend with sleeving worn out carb bodies, and performance and fuel economy which isnt as good as modern alternatives, then stick to the Amals.

On the other hand if you value improved ridability, performance, and economy over OE appearance then fit one of the modern carb kits.

Choice of carbs can be compared to retaining points ignition over a modern electronic set up, in that the points work perfectly well, but need quite a bit of attention to keep them performing properly, and might not be the best option for long term problem free running and reliabiity.
 
They only have 10K miles on them. I'd do needles and needle jets for sure and cleaning, checking everying when it is apart.

Should not need resleeving yet.
 
batrider said:
They only have 10K miles on them. I'd do needles and needle jets for sure and cleaning, checking everying when it is apart.

Should not need resleeving yet.

Very true batrider 930 Amals do not wear as quickly as the 932's, but do the check slide to body check anyway. Gary might just get away with just a rebuild kit.
Cheers
CNN
 
Yeah, I didn't replace anything on my 930's except the gaskets, floats, o-rings and needle valves on mine with 13K and they seem to be working fine. I wouldn't put a whole bunch of money and time into it until you find out you need to.

Dave
69S
 
CanukNortonNut said:
[Very true batrider 930 Amals do not wear as quickly as the 932's, but do the check slide to body check anyway. Gary might just get away with just a rebuild kit.
Cheers
CNN
Clue me in how 930's should last longer than 932's. Same bore, same slide.......
Always eager to learn.
 
I hobot - still a newbie to this forum but not to Commandoom - repeats >>>
w/o a single shred of blind controlled research studies to satisfy the doubters....

1.....
that expert metal casters on other lists have revealed the 930 size casting by the method used is the upper size limit of getting a good product that is not distorted in several ways once cooled = so the 932's are already distorted brand spanking new and not by usage or installation damage as Always Assumed by other wise expert carb advisers.

1.a....
I've measured brand new 932'2 to find both distorted and both different
in every dimension that matters. I think I lucked out to get a pretty good pair but just handling and eyeballing made me stop and get out measuring tools to know for sure it twern't me messing them up before ever seeing fuel. It was after this I quizzed experts to get the low down of 1. above.

1.b----
I believe its a pure BS flippant better than thou attitude when every freaking time a carb flange is found bent- they accuse everyone and who ever with being a dumb ass gorilla ignoring the above facts I've never ever seen mentioned on this forum prior.

2.....
that 932 size material thickness is not increased for its increased size bores and flanges so is weaker to resist wear tear handling and clamping forces.

3....
that the bigger round slide has more surface area for engine intake oscillation slapping and engine vibes to act on slides extra mass slamming/galling surfaces
together with the above innate weakness involved.
 
Gee willickers, hobot, I guess contrary to popular belief, ignorance is NOT bliss. Or is it?
 
Ignorance has whipped my behind too dang often but less and less about more and more as time goes by. Ms Peel Combat new 932's have literally fluted the slides within 5000 miles but still sealing enough to get Trixie Combat to idle way too low. Yet I know what's coming so I've got to save up for the upgrade slides, which I just I learned from this post what's available.

As stated I'm newbie to this list - you all have no idea what I've been though on Ms Peel for years, no fault of my own, but sure thought it was till i learned different some time and suffering later. Its has left me with bit sour- against the grain attitude.
 
T95 said:
The time has come to dig into my Amals and I would like to know what typically gets replaced on a carb rebuild.
I have looked at a few rebuild kits and they vary considerably on the parts they offer.

Along with a parts list I am open to your tips and techniques to get through this process!

This is for a 71- 750 with around 10,000 miles on her. I don't recall having any issues 35 years ago when she was put down.

Gary

Since this quickly dived into a piss-on-Amal thread, I'll step up and tell you what you I got. I had some old carbs, so I get the major repair kit with the new floats and new slides.

http://www.amalcarb.co.uk/productDetail.aspx?id=37376

I think it cost me a bit over $100 (I made sure to split the order up to save on shipping from Amal (they have some goofy tiered shipping).

I got the cheap zinc slides but I would recommend the chromed brass (when the become available) or the anodized (about $40 ea).

I dropped all the parts in and adjusted the floats. Bike will idle all day at under 1000 rpm, if I wanted it to.
 
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