'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.

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When routing the brake cable between the inner muffler plate and the swingarm you need to make sure that there is an extra 3/8 inch diameter washer (.071 inch thick) on each Z-plate spacer. This will splay the Z-plate outward towards the rear which would give you more space between the swingarm and the isolastic mount. The factory used the extra washers but it doesn't show in any parts book. The only reference I have seen for these washers is in the Norton Commando Service Notes published by The Norton Owners Club. As a matter of fact they used the extra washers on the right hand side Z-plate for the sake of symmetry.

Even with the extra washers on the spacers you may need to cut the isolastic mount stud shorter to get the needed clearance for the brake cable. You may even need to use a thin check nut as well. After all is said and done the brake cable still chafes on the top of the Z-plate and the cable has a tendency to rub on the passenger foot pegs bolt head.

I once tried routing the brake cable between the muffler plates and even shortened the cable to do the job. I just wasn't happy with the results. The cable would rise and bump into the passenger foot peg spacer forcing the cable in a tight radius. Then the cable itself would ride up and down along the inner muffler plate which caused a sawing action against the brake cable housing. Also the cables would jam into each isolastic mount at full up and down travel.

To solve the above mentioned problems, this is what I ended up doing. I chose to route the brake cable over the Z-plate and then between the inner muffler plate and the swingarm. Using an Andover Norton brake cable I discovered that the brake cable's ferrule nose section that plugs into the swingarm anchor is too small in diameter and too long which causes the cable not to fit squarely. I got around this by machining out an adapter for the ferrule.

'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.


Then I made a cable buffer out of stainless steel and two layers of adhesive lined shrink tubing and clamped it to the swingarm. This pushed the cable away from the Z-plate. I determined that I didn't need to clamp the cable to the swingarm because the cable move with the swingarm during its full suspension travel.

'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.


However, to make this work I needed to come up with a way of removing the passenger footpeg bolt head. I made a custom footpeg spacer that I threaded with a coarse 3/8 - 16 thread, then welded it to the inner muffler plate. I then made a stud that was coarse thread on one end and fine thread on the other end. I screwed the stud in all of the way into the spacer then installed the footpeg and noted the footpegs' position. Then I backed out the footpegs stud in small increments until the footpeg tightened down into the desired position. I also put a set screw in the spacer to lock the stud into position.

Finally I needed to make the isolastic mount as short as possible. Only the top isolastic needed to be modified, but I did both for the sake of uniformity. I did this by cutting the isolastic mount stud from 1/2 to 1/4 inch in length. I opened the mounting holes in the inner muffler plate then machined a shoulder in the mounting check nuts so that they would fit in the enlarged mounting holes and that gave me maximum clearance for the brake cable.

'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.



With my modifications, the brake cable doesn't rub on anything during its full suspension travel. I have about 4000 miles on this setup and I feel as though the brake works better because there is no tight radius in the brake cable.

Here are a couple of additional pictures of the installation:


'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.





'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.



Peter Joe
 
The safety spring is a bit of a Chinese puzzle to get it on in correct orientation...but be persistent and it will go on correctly.

The brake safety spring came in the mail, and yes, it does present a bit of a puzzle to fit it. I'm not sure of the orientation. I assume the square hook portion hooks the bottom of the brake lever. The other leg of the spring is long with a kink and seems it should fit behind footrest arm?
Thanks
~998cc
 
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The brake safety spring came in the mail, and yes, it it does present a bit of a puzzle to fit it. I'm not sure of the orientation. I assume the square hook portion hooks the bottom of the brake lever. The other leg of the spring is long with a kink and seems it should fit behind footrest arm?
Thanks
~998cc
Seeing as I posted the puzzle warning, feel it is only appropriate to help resolve it.
Here is the spring looking from in front of the brake lever:
'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.


And from under/behind the lever:
'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.


Hope that helps.
 
What I seem to recall when I fitted it, even when I had a certain orientation in mind, Found it quite difficult to get it on in that orientation...you kind of have to force a three dimensional rotation in your minds eye before you start fitting the spring...there's a rotation happening in the fitting process.
 
What I seem to recall when I fitted it, even when I had a certain orientation in mind, Found it quite difficult to get it on in that orientation...you kind of have to force a three dimensional rotation in your minds eye before you start fitting the spring...there's a rotation happening in the fitting process.

Just came back in from the garage. Yes, it took a little pitch and yaw to line it all up, but it went together pretty smoothly. I removed the entire footrest arm assembly to do it; a benefit of taking the entire assembly off was the ability to see the brake light switch was at an odd angle. I squared it up and adjusted it for better operation.

Working on the fuel system this week in prep for a 120+- mile ride this weekend. (The transmission/gearbox is on the radar and will at least get new bearings and seals this winter.)

Thanks again; the photos were great.
~998cc
 
Removing the lever? That's cheating :)
Real men manage it with assembly in tact ;-)
I got 3000 miles on my '74 850 in first 6-7 months I've had it running...11000 total on the clock. She just started making white/grey puffs out left side when blipping throttle so now I'm adding a valve check/seal replacement/head removal to a growing to do list of winter jobs.
 
When routing the brake cable between the inner muffler plate and the swingarm you need to make sure that there is an extra 3/8 inch diameter washer (.071 inch thick) on each Z-plate spacer. This will splay the Z-plate outward towards the rear which would give you more space between the swingarm and the isolastic mount. The factory used the extra washers but it doesn't show in any parts book. The only reference I have seen for these washers is in the Norton Commando Service Notes published by The Norton Owners Club. As a matter of fact they used the extra washers on the right hand side Z-plate for the sake of symmetry.

Even with the extra washers on the spacers you may need to cut the isolastic mount stud shorter to get the needed clearance for the brake cable. You may even need to use a thin check nut as well. After all is said and done the brake cable still chafes on the top of the Z-plate and the cable has a tendency to rub on the passenger foot pegs bolt head.

I once tried routing the brake cable between the muffler plates and even shortened the cable to do the job. I just wasn't happy with the results. The cable would rise and bump into the passenger foot peg spacer forcing the cable in a tight radius. Then the cable itself would ride up and down along the inner muffler plate which caused a sawing action against the brake cable housing. Also the cables would jam into each isolastic mount at full up and down travel.

To solve the above mentioned problems, this is what I ended up doing. I chose to route the brake cable over the Z-plate and then between the inner muffler plate and the swingarm. Using an Andover Norton brake cable I discovered that the brake cable's ferrule nose section that plugs into the swingarm anchor is too small in diameter and too long which causes the cable not to fit squarely. I got around this by machining out an adapter for the ferrule.

'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.


Then I made a cable buffer out of stainless steel and two layers of adhesive lined shrink tubing and clamped it to the swingarm. This pushed the cable away from the Z-plate. I determined that I didn't need to clamp the cable to the swingarm because the cable move with the swingarm during its full suspension travel.

'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.


However, to make this work I needed to come up with a way of removing the passenger footpeg bolt head. I made a custom footpeg spacer that I threaded with a coarse 3/8 - 16 thread, then welded it to the inner muffler plate. I then made a stud that was coarse thread on one end and fine thread on the other end. I screwed the stud in all of the way into the spacer then installed the footpeg and noted the footpegs' position. Then I backed out the footpegs stud in small increments until the footpeg tightened down into the desired position. I also put a set screw in the spacer to lock the stud into position.

Finally I needed to make the isolastic mount as short as possible. Only the top isolastic needed to be modified, but I did both for the sake of uniformity. I did this by cutting the isolastic mount stud from 1/2 to 1/4 inch in length. I opened the mounting holes in the inner muffler plate then machined a shoulder in the mounting check nuts so that they would fit in the enlarged mounting holes and that gave me maximum clearance for the brake cable.

'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.



With my modifications, the brake cable doesn't rub on anything during its full suspension travel. I have about 4000 miles on this setup and I feel as though the brake works better because there is no tight radius in the brake cable.

Here are a couple of additional pictures of the installation:


'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.





'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.



Peter Joe

Great rear brake cable routing modification ! You mention the need for additional 3/8 inch dia. washers at the Z plate washers.... A picture of that would be worth a thousand words to me if you would please!
 
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Great rear brake cable routing modification ! You mention the need for additional 3/8 inch dia. washers at the Z plate washers.... A picture of that would be worth a thousand words to me if you would please!

He is talking about extra washers to be used as well as the standard spacers used to mount the Z plates to the frame. This moves the entire Z plate assembly outboard, thus giving more clearance between the exhaust brackets and swig ing arm.

It’s one of those great ideas that’s blindingly obvious AFTER it’s been raised !
 
He is talking about extra washers to be used as well as the standard spacers used to mount the Z plates to the frame. This moves the entire Z plate assembly outboard, thus giving more clearance between the exhaust brackets and swig ing arm.

It’s one of those great ideas that’s blindingly obvious AFTER it’s been raised !
Old fart at play here and the original owner. I just can't picture these washers, I mean I can but I should have distinct knowledge of them after of all the years and time spent detailing. A quick picture of these washers in place may jog my memory before I dig deeper (ride vs work is my pleasure) however, a new cable to install got my attention. I rebuilt the bike years ago, before internet, it's likely I followed the part list catalog to a T during re assembly. Washers in addition to the spacers just seem like they'd be quite visible ...
 
I can't take a picture of the spacer and washer arrangement with the bike assembled. But basically there is a spacer and a washer sandwiched between the frame mounting points and the aluminum Z-plate which splay the Z-plates out at the rear. The washer itself is just a standard .071 inch thick 3/8 inch imperial T3 washer. When I removed the aluminum Z-plates from my bike the washers were there along with the spacers and were on both sides of the bike. I guess they did that for the sake of symmetry.

The only other reference I have seen about these washers is noted in the Commando Service Notes published by the Norton Owners Club:
"For concourse rebuilders, the catalogue (parts book) is not strictly accurate - as well as the spacers between the frame and the side-plates there are extra 3/8 inch washers on the 3/8 inch bolts. This was to cock the plate outwards at the rear to avoid a snarl-up of the rear brake cable and the silencer studs."

Peter Joe
 
I can't take a picture of the spacer and washer arrangement with the bike assembled. But basically there is a spacer and a washer sandwiched between the frame mounting points and the aluminum Z-plate which splay the Z-plates out at the rear. The washer itself is just a standard .071 inch thick 3/8 inch imperial T3 washer. When I removed the aluminum Z-plates from my bike the washers were there along with the spacers and were on both sides of the bike. I guess they did that for the sake of symmetry.

The only other reference I have seen about these washers is noted in the Commando Service Notes published by the Norton Owners Club:
"For concourse rebuilders, the catalogue (parts book) is not strictly accurate - as well as the spacers between the frame and the side-plates there are extra 3/8 inch washers on the 3/8 inch bolts. This was to cock the plate outwards at the rear to avoid a snarl-up of the rear brake cable and the silencer studs."

Peter Joe

Really appreciate knowing this! Digging deeper, I find my bike has two 3/8 inch washers stacked back to back on the nut side of each Z plate short bolt. I see no evidence of misplaced washers at the rear engine / ISO mount Z plate locations... Are you saying washers are to be here with the spacer as well?
 
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Phil,
There are three 3/8 inch washers (same part number) used on each 3/8 inch bolt that mounts the Z-plate to the frame. For each bolt, one washer is under the head of the bolt; one washer stacks on top of a 5/8 inch long spacer (making a total thickness of .696 inch) and one washer is under the nut.

The bolts will appear to be a little on the short side, but that is the way Norton built them.

To answer your question, yes the washer and spacer are together. I would send a drawing but Post Image is down for maintenance.

Peter Joe
 
Phil,
There are three 3/8 inch washers (same part number) used on each 3/8 inch bolt that mounts the Z-plate to the frame. For each bolt, one washer is under the head of the bolt; one washer stacks on top of a 5/8 inch long spacer (making a total thickness of .696 inch) and one washer is under the nut.

The bolts will appear to be a little on the short side, but that is the way Norton built them.

To answer your question, yes the washer and spacer are together. I would send a drawing but Post Image is down for maintenance.

Peter Joe
Thank you for a much clearer picture Peter. Of these three spacers (parts manual id's one as "engine mounting stud washer", the other two as lower "spacers"), two "lower" are identical in size while the "washer" is larger, inside and outside dia. The stacked washers I removed from the bolt are too small for the engine mounting stud and I'll be looking for a larger diameter washer for this location. Much appreciated!
 
If understand this correctly the washers only go on the two 3/8" bolts on each side and not on the ISO mount.
2 on each side, total 4?
Is that correct?
 
If understand this correctly the washers only go on the two 3/8" bolts on each side and not on the ISO mount.
2 on each side, total 4?
Is that correct?

Yes.

The stacked washers I removed from the bolt are too small for the engine mounting stud and I'll be looking for a larger diameter washer for this location.

An extra washer on the engine stud will move the front of the Z-plate out and the rear inward, therefore counteracting (mostly) the extra washers on the 3/8" bolts which is not what's required.
 
An extra washer on the engine stud will move the front of the Z-plate out and the rear inward, therefore counteracting (mostly) the extra washers on the 3/8" bolts which is not what's required.


I agree and find this gives me clearance needed for routing the rear brake cable up and over the Z plate verses between the passenger foot peg brackets and muffler mount plates. As was, there was slight contact on the swing arm and top muffler rubber spacer bolt.
 
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I agree and find this gives me clearance needed for routing the rear brake cable up and over the Z plate verses between the passenger foot peg brackets and muffler mount plates. As was, there was slight contact on the swing arm and top muffler rubber spacer bolt.

As PeterJoe said, shortening the upper rubber mount inner thread (and a thin nut) also helps unless you've already done that.
 
I just checked my '74 MK2. Looks like I have the 'extra washer'. Some photos and parts illustration below. Does this look right? Two bolts with the "x" on them get the extra washer?

'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.


'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.





Looks like the Z plate is nice and clear of the swing arm on my bike. Also looks like its time for me to look into re-routing the cable!



'74 Commando rear brakes feel unsafe.
 
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