1970 Commando Kick Stand

Hey Norton brotherhood. I have a new-to-me 1971 Commando 750 with the frame-post and circling mounted kickstand that was prone to break or fall off…and it seems mine’s fallen off. Does anyone know where I can find a stock 1970-early ‘71 kickstand/prop stand? I reckon I can make it work if one gentler with it. Or is the 71-75 kickstand the same and fits the ‘70-early ‘71 frame mounted post? Thanks!

circlip that is. Spell check.

Thank you!

Big Red said:

Or is the 71-75 kickstand the same and fits the ‘70-early ‘71 frame mounted post?

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That stand needs the lug bracket welded to the frame...

...assuming this "1971" frame has the forward cross-tube?

Yes it’s an early ‘71 with the post intact with circlip groove in it, and has a cross member adjajecnt to the mount connecting the two down tubes.

Found the right part at Andover Norton. Needed a little touch with the grinder to clear the frame, but is all mounted up and works great. Except after reading all the horror stories about the circlip falling off and the stand digging into the road and sending hapless rider into the ditch I am going to zip-tie it up for safety until I can weld a little security tab on the end of the peg in case the circlip pops off.

Also having side stand problems here. My scoot is a 1973 750, built in1972. Really in great condition for it's age and all original xcept for a Mikuni carb and tri spark ignition. Previous owner must have weighed around 500 pounds and mostly started the bike while on the side stand!! Will be installing a new frame tab today. Here's my question. The attachment point on the original stand has a bushing pressed into the mounting hole...the replacement stand I bought on E-bay has a much larger hole and the so called spacer is much smaller than the hole! I can't seem to find a useable stand that fits. Looks like Andover has them. I want to get this right. Anyone else run up against this and if so, what steps did you take to make it right.

yooper trooper said:

My scoot is a 1973 750, built in1972.

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In which case the side stand assembly should be the later type with the bolt, nut and bushed stand pivot. The bush should be locked to the stand bracket and free to rotate within the stand arm.

Yooper,
There are two different sized pivot bushings for the side stand. The pre 850 Mark II pivot bushing (p/n 06-2871) has an outside diameter of 5/8 inch. The 850 Mark II and later side stand pivot bushing (p/n 06-5491) has an outside diameter of 11/16 inch. Sounds as though you need the later pivot bushing.

Peter Firkins

L.A.B. said:

In which case the side stand assembly should be the later type with the bolt, nut and bushed stand pivot. The bush should be locked to the stand bracket and free to rotate within the stand arm.

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I didn't realise that the bushing needed to be locked into the stand...another job on the list

olympus said:

I didn't realise that the bushing needed to be locked into the stand...another job on the list

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Perhaps I could have explained it better in my previous post as the bush should be clamped tight to the frame lug (by the bolt and nut) and the side stand then pivots around the 'static' bush ("pivot spacer" '41A' or '41B').

L.A.B. said:

Perhaps I could have explained it better in my previous post as the bush should be clamped tight to the frame lug (by the bolt and nut) and the side stand then pivots around the 'static' bush ("pivot spacer" '41A' or '41B').

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Thanks for the clarification Les

Big Red said:

Found the right part at Andover Norton. Needed a little touch with the grinder to clear the frame, but is all mounted up and works great. Except after reading all the horror stories about the circlip falling off and the stand digging into the road and sending hapless rider into the ditch I am going to zip-tie it up for safety until I can weld a little security tab on the end of the peg in case the circlip pops off.

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Replying to an old post here, but someone may come along looking at the same subject, so ... I'd struggled to find a 1970 kickstand until I looked on AN. Theirs fits perfectly, and isn't too expensive. The pivot held in by a circlip is a bit weak, and therefore worrying, but RGM has a redesigned pivot that fixes the problem, https://www.rgmnorton.co.uk/buy/side-stand-pivot-fulcrum-pin-st-st_3855.htm

yooper trooper said:
My scoot is a 1973 750, built in1972.

L.A.B. said:

In which case the side stand assembly should be the later type with the bolt, nut and bushed stand pivot. The bush should be locked to the stand bracket and free to rotate within the stand arm.

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And unfortunately we're bitten by the US/N American "model year" fallacy/scam again ... and again ... and again ... Back in the day, *some* distributors would take leftover motorcycles and reissue "Certificates of Origin" (the official document that is used as the first basis for a state - or province - to issue a registration/ownership document). So, a motorcycle built in 1971 sits in a warehouse over the winter and magically becomes a "1972 model" and the poor owner (or subsequent owner) is thrashing about "it must be a '72, I need twin Superblends, the crankcase breather spares won't fit my camshaft-end timed breather, 'it must be a Combat since it's a '72', etc." If it's built in 1972 (with some very specific and restricted exceptions), it's a '72 build, no matter what the "title" (N. American registration/ownership document) says. There are no "72's built in '73", it is and always was a scam and a ripoff.

Always know the details of your "real" model and order spares properly to match.

Blewdy Yaink said:

Back in the day, *some* distributors would take leftover motorcycles and reissue "Certificates of Origin" (the official document that is used as the first basis for a state - or province - to issue a registration/ownership document). So, a motorcycle built in 1971 sits in a warehouse over the winter and magically becomes a "1972 model"

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Yes, as yooper trooper's "built in 1972" (month/72 certification date stamp?) Commando in his avatar picture appears to be a 750 MkIV specification Roadster (or '72 for those who must think in terms of model year) not "1973" (750 MkV) spec.

Blewdy Yaink said:

Always know the details of your "real" model and order spares properly to match.

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Unfortunately, parts suppliers list by 'year' (AN for instance before 850 where the mark number is included).
The early factory parts book also list by year ("1968 - 1970").
Other 750 parts books don't give a specific serial number that a series starts from at all, so even with the bike's serial number the identification of the actual build specification can be difficult without a certain level of knowledge.