Norton trouble

Anyone heard how the court hearing went today, they were on the daily court rolls for a hearing no earlier than 1030.

As for the 961 rights allegedly being sold to jinlang, makes no odds, they might not have obtained the right to use the TM so no great deal.

Be good if we can get parts at a later stage, would be better for British parts but people will just want to service their machines.
 
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Be good if we can get parts at a later stage, would be better for British parts but people will just want to service there machines.

Hopefully someone from the company will provide us with a list of suppliers that Norton used for various component parts.
Like lifters, rockers, towers, rods, etc.
 
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Hi Ray,
Yes I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of riding the bike, the conversations at bike meets etc. I do regret trading but had some issues related to the electronics which eventually compromised safety - they fixed it by replacing the ECU around June/July last year but I had lost confidence in the safety of the bike and was riding less so it made sense to trade.
Unlike others I do not have the skills to fix it myself so the option was no option really.
It was a mark 2 anniversary model
John, That looks like Frinton & Clacton. Am I right?


Cheers,

cliffa.
 
Hopefully someone from the company will provide us with a list of suppliers that Norton used for various component parts.
Like lifters, rockers, towers, rods, etc.

I'm sure that the suppliers are not fools, once the dust settles there would be those that want to support and supply parts.... and get paid !! :p
 
When the news first came out our Stu was to save Norton and build it up to a size never seen before the press was too dazzled by his firework (oooops!) of announcements they gladly forgot to have a look into Companies House records and to see the long list of all the companies that had already been burnt down by this bright spark (ooops again!) and gone bankrupt.

He who takes the trouble, does not believe what he reads in MCN, in subserviant club magazines blinded by backward-orientated patriotism and belief in miracles concerning their subject matter, or in the rose-tinted worldwide distributed articles of a certain racing journo, can normally form an opinion through readily available background information on the net.

My eye-opener was a personal encounter well before that. But not everybody had the privilege(?), and some came to the wrong conclusions through it, blinded by a smokescreen of words and fake enthusiasm. I had an old hand in the Norton game admit to me he sat next to SG at some do and was practically drunk on the conversation when he left. Until he got home and mulled it all over, compared it to his lifelong experience in the industry and came to the conclusion he had been had by a load of b.s.

If you knew all this then why didn't you at least let everyone know on this site and the Norton Owners club site, it might have saved some people a lot of anguish, never mind money ?
 
If you looked at the NOC forum before the posts were deleted the doubts about Stuart Garner were made, but the NOC committee decided to side with SG and the posts were deleted.
 
I had several posts deleted when I dared to bring up the impending disaster from the NOC site, I also had warnings about posting negative stuff from the committee. The NOC were firmly on side until it appeared in the news. Emperors new clothes!!
 
If you knew all this then why didn't you at least let everyone know on this site and the Norton Owners club site, it might have saved some people a lot of anguish, never mind money ?
I have made my opinion of Mr.G. known to all and sundry but also found, as a member of the NOC at the time, that posts critical of the great new hope for the rebirth of the British motorcycle industry (no, not Triumph, stupid!) were deleted about as fast as one could type & post them.
I also have at least four letters I sent to the editor of Roadholder in the last few years, none of which was ever printed.
All Norton enthusiasts seemed to be in a trance and reacted allergic to anybody destroying their dreams. As I said before he saw us, Andover Norton and myself, as a threat and even posted a nasty commentary on our facebook page.
He told lies about us and our licence contract he inherited from Dreer/Curme/Norton America whom I still see as the only honest party in the Norton game in the last 3 decades and who were, tellingly, ignored by the worthies in the UK because they weren't "English".
The same worthies then lapped up all the lies Garner told them, then repeated them to me with rolling eyes: "He will terminate your licence!" "He will bankrupt you!" "He says he will ruin you and take your company over!", happily ignoring that Garners empire was clearly doomed in 2008, when he was director of 11 companies, 9 went bust and the assets of what he left were less than ¼ million.
I did look him up and tell people but half didn't want to know, the other half was afraid of being taken to court for libel. Also happily ignoring Andover Norton was well-funded by my family and always profitable as opposed to a far more imposing empire in Downington Fall with an array of Aston Martins all funded, unkowingly and unwillingly, by British OAPs as an "investment".
 
OK Fair enough.
Seems to me that the NOC committee members need to be replaced.

I reiterate my thoughts about not trusting Garner myself but I didn't know why, and should have trusted my hunch. I was one of the lucky ones and got a trouble free bike, although I've since sold it and got a mate for my old Mk.3
 
Not a dead on accurate article but I guess close enough.

Oddly enough, regardless of the expense, headaches, acid in the esophagus, anger...….I feel fortunate to have one. All that crap that came with it, and I still love it.
 
If you looked at the NOC forum before the posts were deleted the doubts about Stuart Garner were made, but the NOC committee decided to side with SG and the posts were deleted.
Dunno much about NOC but sounds like a swamp.
 
"KPMG's study of official insolvency notices posted in the London Gazette reveals that a total of 1,403 [UK] companies went into administration during 2019."

That's about 5-6 on each business day of the year. It happens. A lot. There used to be an old saying that 80% of businesses fail in the first year.

Currently in the US, a company that operates 40 wedding venues in 20 US states just went into bankruptcy (US equivalent of administration). 7,500 wedding couples had paid for (deposits or in-full) upcoming weddings, and said to be each losing "thousands and thousands". If you conservatively estimate each couple had $4,000 paid in (just a wild guess), there's about $30million in losses to those upcoming newlyweds.

Whether that wedding venue company committed any crime or fraudulent activity is yet to be seen, but stuff like that (and Norton) happens all the time where customers and vendors get shafted.

Having owned a business that provided services to other businesses for over 3 decades, I've seen my share of client companies go 'belly-up', and then having to pursue restitution through bankruptcy courts. It's what keeps bankruptcy attorneys in business.

I'm not quite sure why there is such hysteria over this with Norton. Perhaps it just doesn't faze me as much (bad and/or corrupt business decisions). Though yes, I do feel badly for the customers and vendors who are losing out in this.
 
Aside from the pain of financial loss, the hysteria over the bankruptcy and alleged fraud is the damage to the Norton brand which most of
us hold dear.
 
Well sweet. DY K. S G failed to turn up at the pensions Ombudsman hearing today Thus 13th? Why?............
 
Well sweet. DY K. S G failed to turn up at the pensions Ombudsman hearing today Thus 13th? Why?............

Why would he, more than likely he thinks he has done no wrong and is a victim.

Do you think Hitler or Stalin thought themselves egotistical maniac's.

I am willing to bet someone told/advised Garner long ago and ongoing, we can trade out of this.
He is either a deluded conman or just plain deluded and is not the first or last.
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Future parts supply for these bikes in general will be no problem because the best motorcycle business is not selling motorcycles but parts for them.
Will the Norton come back as a ChinaBike is to be seen.

Condolences to those who have experienced the negative side of this whole affair.
 
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