Wassell Amal copies (2012)

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$265.00 USD shipped for the pair to the states. I wonder what they have done different than Amal?
 
bwolfie said:
$265.00 USD shipped for the pair to the states. I wonder what they have done different than Amal?
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Maybe they found a cheaper way to manufacture them - possibly a bit lesser spec of material .... errr.....wait ..... :mrgreen: :evil:


Tim
 
Don't think much of the dull finish. Significantly cheaper than the currrent Amals though.

Ian
 
I just bought two premiers from Amal and I know what I bought before I bought them ... if that makes sense! Their product is made to a consistently high quality, and without buying the Wassells it would be hard to compare like for like. Those Wassell copies are just that, a copy.
 
Considering the price difference, a AMAL carb works out to be about 30 quid more, personally I would stick with the AMAL.
After all, how often to you replace your carbs? 60 quid extra for a pair would soon be forgotten.

Webby
 
The new Premier AMAL's are pasivated on the bodies, I haven't seen a Premier in the raw, but do they have the same finish as these Wassal's? I can't understand why someone would go to all the trouble to reproduce AMAL, the maket is not that huge, surely?

Cheers richard
 
stockie2 said:
The new Premier AMAL's are pasivated on the bodies, I haven't seen a Premier in the raw, but do they have the same finish as these Wassal's? I can't understand why someone would go to all the trouble to reproduce AMAL, the maket is not that huge, surely?

Cheers richard
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What makes you think that they are copies :?:
Has anybody taken the trouble to ask them :?:

It would breach Amal’s copyrights. They are for all I know New old stock.
 
Bernhard said:
It would breach Amal’s copyrights. They are for all I know New old stock.
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They have "WASSELL" not AMAL cast into the bodies!

Wassell Amal copies (2012)
 
I read the dealers pack from wassell, if its to be believed they could be a serious alternative for far less money, Because of the cheapness I'm very tempted to get a set for one of my bikes, just to try them, reluctant to spend much more than this on Amal Premiers.
I'm sure they'll polish up!!
 
You would think that with the extensive tooling involved for two body sizes, bowls, slides, tops and floats that it would be difficult to justify. Clearly they have done that so the market has to be bigger than even we realise. I know Far Eastern pressure die tools for metal or plastics can be had at a fraction of Western prices. When I worked for a US company making power seat motors a set of tooling for a small plastic gear housing and cover (double impression LH and RH) came out at 20% of US cost with the piece price at 50%.
Being a snob I'd prefer Amal on my carbs, if only for the fact that at least they have the original drawings to aim at. I'm assuming (could be wrong) that the Wassells are based on sample measurements and a guesstimate as to the original 'Nominal' dimensions. All that might be fine as long as the slides are a good engineeering fit and the jets are accurately bored. I notice the Commando 932's have 260 main jets, cover 72-77 and theres no mention of needle cutaways or jetting options. Would be a bit rich for 750's so would you have to fit Amal jets to set up properly for non 850's.
Will be interesting to see how they perform and hope no-one gets into piston melting territory! maybe we should let the Triumph and BSA owners test them out first :p
 
They have "WASSELL" not AMAL cast into the bodies!

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Blimey- I didn’t see that.
I wonder if Amal’s know that this is going on :?:
 
One of my fellow Shropshire NOC members had his engine rebuilt by a "specialist" he fitted a pair of new carbs from another well known source not a million miles from us here in the midlands. The bike has not run properly since and has now got the original carbs back on. Apparently new genuine Amal carbs come in a box with a certificate attached, his didn't. There may be more than one source of counterfeit carbs. If they work, all well and good but his didn't. (they weren't Wassell)
 
Is this a Russina knockoff of Amals produced by Checkov? "We are looking for the nuclear wessles!" LOL
 
These carbs are a carbon pirate copy of AMALs but I should be surprised if there was a valid copyright on them 50 years after they were first produced. F.e. I know that all Norton rotary engine patents have expired by now, stemming from the same era.

The only protection there is is the "Amal" trademark. That is explicitly not used on these copies and, if you read the sales blurp, the word "Amal" is carefully left out, and they are referred to as "OE" carbs.

I should think the copies come from the Far East and, personally, would not use them on my own Nortons, or sell them to customers as long as the original still exists and is of good quality.

Pirating of AMAL components has been going on for quite a while, with jets etc. available for a fraction of the real thing (and a fraction of the accuracy.....), and I know at least two high-profile exponents on the Norton spares front whose main concern is purchase price, forget quality considerations, who no doubt handled the pirate Amal copy stuff and will now handle the pirate carbs.

Rest asured Andover Norton will stick to AMAL genuine spares and carbs even though Wassell's sales blurp was correct in critizising various points about the business conduct of AMAL's current manufacturing company towards their dealers cand distributors, points I have put in writing to the same company before and, using Wassell's blurp as confirmation of my findings, again.

Joe/Andover Norton
 
You appear to be quire right, as it occurred to me overnight that Amal have now lost the world patent rights to this carb model, there is nothing to stop anyone copying them as long as they do not advertised them as Amal or stamp them with this trademark.
 
quote pirating of Amal components has been going on for quite a while now, jets etc. available for a fraction of the real thing and a fraction of the accuracy

when Amal moved production of the 900 carburettors to china approx 2 years ago large quantitys of spares left the factory via the back doors hence the cowboy
parts , basically they were genuine Amal parts made in china but not purchased from Burlen fuel systems , i was offered these parts branded Amal by one the chinese traders , so were they sub standard ? ( no i do not think so ) i guess Wassell have been in touch with the chinese manufacturer and bought direct ?
for all we know they are from the same source just re branded and sold at a realistic price , to classify Amal as a genuine product is madness ( made in china )
boxed in the UK the retail price should reflect this, all Burlen fuel systems has claim to is the registration of the Amal brand ( not even OEM suppliers )
The real pirates are Burlen fuel systems for charging 30 pounds more per carburettor and disguising the country of origin

Dont forget Wassell always were an aftermarket supplier for Amal concentric carburettors , i have an old 60`s Wassell catalogue with Amal carburettors in
so i guess in this case burlen are the new kids on the block
 
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