Wassell Amal copies (2012)

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It seems to me that Burlen deserve credit for taking the Amal brand and developing it after decades of stagnation, introducing improvements to the carburetters and expanding the range of carbs and products. Stay-up floats, aluminium needle valves, hard anodised slides and now the new pilot circuit are all Burlen developments and I daresay there are more to come.
 
well they get them made in China for a reason , cost, If they were to continue manufacturing them in the UK then
maybe there would be no more Amals, If my new Premier carbs are made in China then I have no problem with that, they are the best quality Amal parts I have ever seen.
 
Yep good comment madass,
China is the new Japan.
It wasn't long ago we wouldn't buy Jap crap,....
Sanyo, Yamaha, Honda, Mikuni, Kiehin, Nissan, Konica .....................
Not saying it's the best, but it is probably the best value for money, atleast
down here.
Nothing against Chev, Ford, Cummins, Cat, Remmington, original Winchesters.......
Hang on, cross out Ford.
HEHEHEHE
AC.
V8 SUPERCARS coming up. Adelaide.
 
ZFD said:
I should think the copies come from the Far East and, personally, would not use them on my own Nortons, or sell them to customers as long as the original still exists and is of good quality.
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This is very misleading imo. The current Amal 900's are made in China, which is why you never see 'Made in England' on the Carbs or packaging

Pirating of AMAL components has been going on for quite a while, with jets etc. available for a fraction of the real thing (and a fraction of the accuracy.....),
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Hmmm, again misleading. Have you actually calibrated the current Amal jets yourself? I suggest you do so independently, as they are all over the place! I'd love to read your results.

Rest asured Andover Norton will stick to AMAL genuine spares and carbs
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And good luck to you, but to infer that the Chinese made copies of Original Amal IMI Carbs and spares, are 'Genuine' just because the Importer now owns the trademark......

I see that Dragonfly are advertising the Wassell Carbs in the new issue of the Classic Motorcycle (nice piece on Andover by the way!), and the VMCC are selling them too.
 
BA10BOON said:
ZFD said:
I should think the copies come from the Far East and, personally, would not use them on my own Nortons, or sell them to customers as long as the original still exists and is of good quality.
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This is very misleading imo. The current Amal 900's are made in China, which is why you never see 'Made in England' on the Carbs or packaging

Pirating of AMAL components has been going on for quite a while, with jets etc. available for a fraction of the real thing (and a fraction of the accuracy.....),
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Hmmm, again misleading. Have you actually calibrated the current Amal jets yourself? I suggest you do so independently, as they are all over the place! I'd love to read your results.

Rest asured Andover Norton will stick to AMAL genuine spares and carbs
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And good luck to you, but to infer that the Chinese made copies of Original Amal IMI Carbs and spares, are 'Genuine' just because the Importer now owns the trademark......

I see that Dragonfly are advertising the Wassell Carbs in the new issue of the Classic Motorcycle (nice piece on Andover by the way!), and the VMCC are selling them too.
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My reading of Joe's position is that he is sticking with the brand owner as an act of good faith in attempting to supply parts that when sold stay sold, and that there is recourse to the manufacturing chain if they should prove faulty, both in his interest and the customers.

Surely a lot of us would do the same in his position.

And to bitch about £30 per carb is to miss the point that someone who copies, no matter how well, just copies, and will not be spending on R&D to offer items like the premier carbs.....you do get what you pay for, today and tomorrow...
 
I have a slight problem with the news that all concentrics sold by Burlen are now made in China. Because we know companies in England doing machining work for Burlen all the time. What they do for Burlen I admit I do not know in detail, but if the supply chain was based on Chinese manufacture why should they bother?

I have been offered "AMAL" parts from sources which do NOT buy leftovers in England but pirate parts in China, and that was the case even before Burlen took over so, again, I find it hard to believe the pirate parts are AMAL leftovers gone astray.

And, no, I have not tested jets in laboratory conditions, but I do use them on the racecourse and, so far, they have performed as they should when changed upwards or downwards.
 
ZFD said:
I have a slight problem with the news that all concentrics sold by Burlen are now made in China.
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News is suppose to be based on facts. At this point I'd call it a rumor.
 
Where's carbonfibre when we need him? Did he get kicked off or did he just quit?
 
pvisseriii said:
Where's carbonfibre when we need him? Did he get kicked off or did he just quit?
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I think too many people blocked him, and we just don't see his posts!
 
bwolfie said:
pvisseriii said:
Where's carbonfibre when we need him? Did he get kicked off or did he just quit?
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I think too many people blocked him, and we just don't see his posts!
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Unfortunately due to CF's constant provocative, confrontational and occasionaly abusive behaviour which appeared to be getting worse, I decided to exclude him for a month, that month ban lapsed some while ago - he has not as yet, returned, but then perhaps that is best for all concerned.
 
L.A.B. said:
bwolfie said:
pvisseriii said:
Where's carbonfibre when we need him? Did he get kicked off or did he just quit?
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I think too many people blocked him, and we just don't see his posts!
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Unfortunately due to CF's constant provocative, confrontational and occasionaly abusive behaviour which appeared to be getting worse, I decided to exclude him for a month, that month ban lapsed some while ago - he has not as yet, returned, but then perhaps that is best for all concerned.
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Christmas came early this year! :mrgreen:
 
"Sunday production" is quite common in China, international company A commissions some tooling and has a Chinese factory contract manufacture the product from this tooling, almost always there is spare capacity so the Chinese factory can continue running the tooling and sell the additional product to anyone who wants to buy it to make more money, nine times out of ten the factory sold product is unbranded or has some local branding
 
The Wassel carbs being sold by draganfly http://draganfly.co.uk/ come with cnc machined brass slides that have been plated, ethanol proof adjustable float and all parts available and interchangeable with amals. I might see if I can get a couple of slides to fit in my amals although I will probably just go with Jims carbs.
ando
 
If I was you I would NOT run ANY chrome plated slides, been there done that and found that the chrome plating does come off. I would run a non plated brass or the new anodized slide.

ando said:
come with cnc machined brass slides that have been plated
ando
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bill said:
If I was you I would NOT run ANY chrome plated slides, been there done that and found that the chrome plating does come off. I would run a non plated brass or the new anodized slide.

ando said:
come with cnc machined brass slides that have been plated
ando
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The slide is CNC machined in brass and plated with a hard surface coating to resist wear.
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Note it doesn't say chrome.
 
bill said:
If I was you I would NOT run ANY chrome plated slides, been there done that and found that the chrome plating does come off. I would run a non plated brass or the new anodized slide.

ando said:
come with cnc machined brass slides that have been plated
ando
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Bill
Early remote float bowl amal carbs were fitted with chrome brass slides. I have both 1952 and 1949 Ariel motorcycles that are fitted with 289 remote float carbs. The 1949 bike belonged to my father, is still fitted with the original carb and has done in excess of 130,000 miles. The chrome on the slide is worn thin at the front only. There is no sign of peeling chrome. The carb body is in good order and does not continually distort to the same extent that concentrics do. The slide fit is very good. The bike will idle at an incredibly slow tickover. The carb on the 1952 Ariel is also in good order but the mileage is unknown. There is seldom any problem with electroplating peeling from brass. As such I would have thought that running chrome or other electroplated brass slides would be ideal and I would be delighted to get half that mileage out of a concentric.
Was your problem chrome peeling from brass or from another metal.
Ando
 
Let sleeping dogs lie.
Although I think one of his last posts actually made sence to me ?
O oh.
Ando, the PWK slides are chromed, (or appear to be) and are quite heavy, brass perhaps ?
Might ask Jim.
AC.
 
mine were NOT brass. I am not sure just what they are made from but are heaver then the zink ones so after this experience it has made me Leary to run any kind of plated slide.

Wassell Amal copies (2012)



ando said:
come with cnc machined brass slides that have been plated
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Bill
Early remote float bowl amal carbs were fitted with chrome brass slides.
Was your problem chrome peeling from brass or from another metal.
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Those Chrome plated slides were Amal. I still have quite a few boxed up. I saw one of the new slides on Sunday. It looks like Zinc plated Brass, rather than chrome plating.
 
AMAL stopped chroming slides for the Mk1 Concentrics some years ago- 4 out of 5 I received I had to send back to them because the chrome came off the new slides- I here (Norton Motors GmbH) am the German AMAL importer. I guess the material was not really suitable for chromium plating, as opposed to the brass slides of the earlier carb types.

Today's better Amal slides are coated, similar to those in the Mk2 Concentrics.

And, talking of the rumour AMALs are now made in China: Nick Hopkins of Andover Norton came across a load of carburettor bodies yesterday at a firm we use for surface finishing- AMAL parts for a carburettor they obviously now start reproducing. Though nothing has been published about this new, old product yet as far as I know. This again contradicts the rumour about the "Chinese manufacture".
Joe
 
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