What is wrong with the NOC?

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Both outfits are probably sincere in proclaiming genuine interest in keeping the Norton bikes on the road and repairable. You can say that the club has a whiter soul because it is a not for profit rather than ANIL who is a commercial business. But then ANIL has grown continually since day one and offers more spares for more models every year so proof is in the pudding on that.
Ive been a ANIL customer with the occasional problem but nothing like the current unresolved cam issue and Ill continue to trade with them. No
company is going to be 100% all the time and Im ok with that.
As for the club, in a way, they are past their use by date. The Low Information Pre Internet Era is over. AccessNorton is the new model for a
club really. There is more good information here than in any club. Members offer spares and upgrades with a wide range of application.
Perhaps clubs still serve a social function and great if they do but that is about all.
Long may AccessNorton reign.
 
Another thing which displeases me greatly about all of this is that the NOC it would seem, would rather waste money, time and effort paying out who knows how much in legal fee's, than doing something positive and contributing to the welfare and hopefully good quality and much needed parts for the Norton community. Get your priorities right NOC. It sounds like a classic case of Empire building and as Mexico Mike says, "dick-measuring."
 
ANIL likely is cross because they believe they own sole rights and paid for said right to make original to the drawings parts.
Id be rather put out too.
 
oldbeezer said:
The part in the video could very well work just fine, but if you are making a batch of parts there will be variations and with out a drawing and tolerances some may very well not work.
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Hence the "warranty return" department...
 
Another thing to consider is that if the NOC had not purchased these drawings they would probably have ended up being thrown away. They deserve some credit for saving them. I am an NOC member, have been for 45 years, and am very dismayed by what is happening. ANIL seem to have made a reasonable offer and the NOC are deluded if they think that they have the wherewithal to make these components themselves. Just sell them to ANIL and move on.

Ian
 
There’s no doubt someone should be making Norton twin barrels.

Ones for other well-known twins sell like hot cakes.
 
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puffer_nutter said:
It seems Andover have a license from Kenny Dreer which pertains to all IP relating to vintage Nortons. Andover believes this covers the blueprints and makes it their IP and have challenged NOC’s ownership of the blueprints.
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YAHTZEE!

Kenny spent WAY too much money acquiring those rights, and the entire process was as legit as it gets.

NOC may or may not have any extraneous claim to the physical papers they have in hand (although I've heard "possesion is 9/10ths of the law").

If Andover bought the rights from Kenny, I think the law is clear enough to burn a few hundred thousand dollars in alleged attorneys, for NOTHING.
 
It would appear that Novil have some original factory drawings as well as the NOC - as per the statement on the front page of their web site:

NORTON is not our registered trade mark but we have a licence from the trademark owner to manufacture and sell Genuine Norton motorcycles & parts
Anyone claiming to be "The Only Genuine Source" are legally wrong due to our own 2001 licence pre-dating subsequent company licences
We manufacture Genuine Norton Parts to original factory specification except where we have deemed it necessary to upgrade tooling and revise drawings in order to make parts in newer & better materials, to modern day tolerances for modern day reliability
We have many original factory drawings which are used to make parts that don't require improvement, though with today's modern engineering practices most parts can and have been improved by us over the years

 
I have the castings, in cast iron and after much testing we managed to get the nice cooling fins of the Hemmings alloy barrels to run in cast iron. Some may have seen these at the open day.
I went to reverse engineer these as we have drgs for the mating parts, that was the easy part, but when I put one of each barrel side by side issues arose. Clearly Norton had noticed this in the 50's and 60's. I could compensate like Norton did, but seeing as the casting pattern itself was taken from a casting, margins when compensating are even less, increasing chance of breakthrough
grandpaul said:
YAHTZEE!

Kenny spent WAY too much money acquiring those rights, and the entire process was as legit as it gets.

NOC may or may not have any extraneous claim to the physical papers they have in hand (although I've heard "possesion is 9/10ths of the law").

If Andover bought the rights from Kenny, I think the law is clear enough to burn a few hundred thousand dollars in alleged attorneys, for NOTHING.
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grandpaul said:
YAHTZEE!

Kenny spent WAY too much money acquiring those rights, and the entire process was as legit as it gets.

NOC may or may not have any extraneous claim to the physical papers they have in hand (although I've heard "possesion is 9/10ths of the law").

If Andover bought the rights from Kenny, I think the law is clear enough to burn a few hundred thousand dollars in alleged attorneys, for NOTHING.
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More history study needed here, nearly right.
 
Staytite said:
It would appear that Novil have some original factory drawings as well as the NOC - as per the statement on the front page of their web site:

NORTON is not our registered trade mark but we have a licence from the trademark owner to manufacture and sell Genuine Norton motorcycles & parts
Anyone claiming to be "The Only Genuine Source" are legally wrong due to our own 2001 licence pre-dating subsequent company licences
We manufacture Genuine Norton Parts to original factory specification except where we have deemed it necessary to upgrade tooling and revise drawings in order to make parts in newer & better materials, to modern day tolerances for modern day reliability
We have many original factory drawings which are used to make parts that don't require improvement, though with today's modern engineering practices most parts can and have been improved by us over the years
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Does the licence exist, anyone seen it.
 
Madnorton said:
The supplier to MH had the data to machine the alloy barrels to which liners were fitted. The new barrels are cast iron, the code would have needed changing, and a new machine facility would no doubt use their own jigs anyway. That is why it was not chased. For the observant, the Domi barrels vary, they are not machined the same, put a 500, 600 and 650 side by side and you will the differences.
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OK . I had assumed from the AN release that casting equipment had meant the patterns , which would normally have been MH property . With software or programs the position is more complex -usually all you have is a license that you cannot necessarily sell or pass on to third parties. If it was only the latter and given that the program was not for iron then that would not be worth pursuing. My mistake .
 
Am I the only person who has read Joe Seifert's detailed statement on the ANIL site? I'm not going to say who I think has the better of this but I will say that the whole circus is crazy. While the interested parties fight over what is really not that big a deal, with the passage of time the user base for the parts at issue is inexorably shrinking.
 
Bodger said:
Am I the only person who has read Joe Seifert's detailed statement on the ANIL site? I'm not going to say who I think has the better of this but I will say that the whole circus is crazy. While the interested parties fight over what is really not that big a deal, with the passage of time the user base for the parts at issue is inexorably shrinking.
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No, I read it. Just don't quiz me on it.
 
Speaking as someone from the states, I don't care a fig about some club in the UK's politics, I just want quality parts at a reasonable price. If party a has something pertinent to making those parts and sits on it doing nothing and party b is willing to produce those parts but needs what party a has, then wtf is the hold up. Work out an agreement and get it done. As someone already mentioned our customer base is getting older by the day.
Reminds me of the old guy that has a Commando rusting away in his yard. He won't sell it because "some day I'm going to fix it up". But that day never comes and it rusts into oblivion.
 
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