V4CR LAUNCH

Stu Bodycote said:
Yep, some in use...the one I have in now is just in for a service. The owner absolutely adores his bike, regardless of the bad press that they received during the past couple of years.
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Shouldn't make light of it, I know, but good to hear for those that persevered AND managed to walk away with a whole one!
Cold comfort for those who got their fingers burnt, though :-(
 
Fast Eddie said:
Isn‘t that pretty much what the Nomad / Superlight range was… that TVS publicly canned ?
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We will have to wait and see what they are going to offer in the 600 range if anything Nomad and super light would have had plenty of takers. Got to have units through the door to make money as for electric bikes ughhhhh.
 
DODGY DEN said:
Regarding the VCR I would have one if they gave me one but to expensive for what it is also does not have the character that a Norton should have IMO looks to blocky not enough engine showing. The V4 looks great but again to expensive. They could cut a couple of cylinders off to make a 600 and put it in a Dominator look alike frame and price accordingly, I wonder if they watch these threads.
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Yes , And then you have an Aprilia 660 .
 
speirmoor said:
Actually 2017 was a better year where Brookes & Johnson finished 7th 8th respectively in the Superbike TT and 6th & 7th in the Senior TT.
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2018 was a horrible year....the radiator on my 1098 sprung a leak just as I came off the ferry, and then it turned into the wettest TT ever 🙈
 
BritTwit said:
I think it's OK for TVS/Norton to say that their V4 pays homage to the Donington TT racer.
They're not saying that they won the TT, just that the V4 celebrates their effort in the TT.
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But
TVS had nothing to do with it at all. Zero.

If TVS ever builds a model they designed and it goes to the TT or even if it’s a model that goes to sale, should garner make the claim and say he’s had a hand in it because he brought Norton back to the UK? Nope.
 
Voodooo said:
But
TVS had nothing to do with it at all. Zero.

If TVS ever builds a model they designed and it goes to the TT or even if it’s a model that goes to sale, should garner make the claim and say he’s had a hand in it because he brought Norton back to the UK? Nope.
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Just saying that the shape and design of the V4 being sold by TVS/Norton now was the result of the TT effort.
So it follows that the new V4 "pays homage to" the Donington TT effort.
Come on, give the devil his due.

And yes, I think SG will claim that he had a hand in it, from his prison cell.
I'd love to see that prison interview article in MCN.;)
 
BritTwit said:
Just saying that the shape and design of the V4 being sold by TVS/Norton now was the result of the TT effort.
So it follows that the new V4 "pays homage to" the Donington TT effort.
Come on, give the devil his due.

And yes, I think SG will claim that he had a hand in it, from his prison cell.
I'd love to see that prison interview article in MCN.;)
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You say "sold," but have they actually sold any of them yet?:)
 
City Garage said:
You say "sold," but have they actually sold any of them yet?:)
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I'm gonna say, probably, because I don't know for sure if any have been produced for sale yet.
Sale could mean that a client has put a deposit down, but not yet taken delivery of a V4.
Unless an owner knows about this forum, we many never know if V4s are being sold, or in what numbers they are sold.
Keep servicing those legacy 961s, and stay tuned.;)
 
BritTwit said:
Just saying that the shape and design of the V4 being sold by TVS/Norton now was the result of the TT effort.
So it follows that the new V4 "pays homage to" the Donington TT effort.
Come on, give the devil his due.

And yes, I think SG will claim that he had a hand in it, from his prison cell.
I'd love to see that prison interview article in MCN.;)
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"SG" isn't Norton. He's one person. When you discount everything as "SG" did it, you ignore the effort of everyone else that worked there. Someone designed the bike, the components, the engine. They did it under what was likely difficult circumstances. People worked on it and wanted it to succeed. They deserve credit and acknowledgement from all of us for what they achieved.
 
BritTwit said:
Just saying that the shape and design of the V4 being sold by TVS/Norton now was the result of the TT effort.
So it follows that the new V4 "pays homage to" the Donington TT effort.
Come on, give the devil his due.

And yes, I think SG will claim that he had a hand in it, from his prison cell.
I'd love to see that prison interview article in MCN.;)
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Agreed BT. I also don’t think each time a new buyer takes over a business they should jettison any associated history, or disassociate themselves from any achievement that was not of their direct doing? That would clearly be a barking proposition, and commercial suicide in Norton Birmingham‘s case.

It was the marque, its profile and racing ethos that also succeeded at the TT recently, along with the individuals that made it happen. Garner was just the latest custodian of that marque, despite the fact that he plucked it from obscurity.

Would a ‘random group’ with a somewhat unknown/underdeveloped bike have even got to start line of the TT? I don’t know. They certainly wouldn’t have got top riders. Garner did it in large part because or the Norton Marque. Would any of that have been possible without the government investing in ‘Norton’.

Norton Birmingham (under TVS) has every right to lean on racing history and reference that to a bike that raced relatively recently and is just about to go on sale. I doubt there’s a bike or car manufacturer in business today with a racing pedigree, that doesn’t lean on that history. Many would have changed hands multiple times.

No doubt TVS is well aware of the future benefits of maintaining that racing pedigree - I’m pretty sure future intent has been mentioned in articles and interviews over the past couple of years.

www.visordown.com

Norton CEO confirms it will return to racing and develop electric models

Norton CEO Dr Robert Hentschel confirms the company will return to racing and plans to invest heavily in new electric models
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BritTwit said:
I think it's OK for TVS/Norton to say that their V4 pays homage to the Donington TT racer.
They're not saying that they won the TT, just that the V4 celebrates their effort in the TT.
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BritTwit said:
Just saying that the shape and design of the V4 being sold by TVS/Norton now was the result of the TT effort.
So it follows that the new V4 "pays homage to" the Donington TT effort.
Come on, give the devil his due.

And yes, I think SG will claim that he had a hand in it, from his prison cell.
I'd love to see that prison interview article in MCN.;)
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I’m not saying the V4 wasn’t born or raced at the TT.

I’m only saying that no matter how you look at it, it all happened before TVS bought the Norton brand.
Team TVS or team garner could never take credit for historic Norton TT races or wins. They never had anything to do with them. The only similarities are the names on the bikes.

I’ll give TVS credit when they actually accomplish something of their own design and engineering. So far they haven’t shown anything of the sort.
 
Stephen_Spencer said:
Agreed BT. I also don’t think each time a new buyer takes over a business they should jettison any associated history, or disassociate themselves from any achievement that was not of their direct doing? That would clearly be a barking proposition, and commercial suicide in Norton Birmingham‘s case.

It was the marque, its profile and racing ethos that also succeeded at the TT recently, along with the individuals that made it happen. Garner was just the latest custodian of that marque, despite the fact that he plucked it from obscurity.

Would a ‘random group’ with a somewhat unknown/underdeveloped bike have even got to start line of the TT? I don’t know. They certainly wouldn’t have got top riders. Garner did it in large part because or the Norton Marque. Would any of that have been possible without the government investing in ‘Norton’.

Norton Birmingham (under TVS) has every right to lean on racing history and reference that to a bike that raced relatively recently and is just about to go on sale. I doubt there’s a bike or car manufacturer in business today with a racing pedigree, that doesn’t lean on that history. Many would have changed hands multiple times.

No doubt TVS is well aware of the future benefits of maintaining that racing pedigree - I’m pretty sure future intent has been mentioned in articles and interviews over the past couple of years.

www.visordown.com

Norton CEO confirms it will return to racing and develop electric models

Norton CEO Dr Robert Hentschel confirms the company will return to racing and plans to invest heavily in new electric models
www.visordown.com www.visordown.com
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So.
If you father some kids and you leave your wife / girlfriend, and she meets another guy and he raises your kids, do you take the credit?

I mean you made the kids, but you can’t take credit or responsibility for who they became since you gave up and lost out.
Especially if the kids became successful later in life.

That credit would go to the new father figure and of course mother.

Just saying.
 
Voodooo said:
So.
If you father some kids and you leave your wife / girlfriend, and she meets another guy and he raises your kids, do you take the credit?

I mean you made the kids, but you can’t take credit or responsibility for who they became since you gave up and lost out.
Especially if the kids became successful later in life.

That credit would go to the new father figure and of course mother.

Just saying.
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You want me to compare the parental credit for the upbringing of metaphorical children from a make believe broken marriage, with the right (or otherwise) of a motorcycle marque to leverage off that marques own history?

TVS bought more than just the legacy bikes Voodoo, they bought the Norton Marque and with it a very strong link to the marques history - without that history they would never have purchased it at all. Should they remove this from the current Norton site?

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Of course Norton Birmingham (TVS) are not going to take direct credit for TT races won back in 1930’s, but they can certainly leverage off the racing pedigree and heritage of the brand - they would be foolish not to. We do want them to succeed right?

They are just about to put the V4SV that underwent significant development at the TT on sale, after re-engineering it. No doubt some of the same people that made that happen from development on, are still there; including Skinner I think. Same marque - different owners? They should leverage the shit out of whatever they can to achieve success in my opinion.

It’s a bit of a stretch maybe, to criticise Norton Birmingham for not developing their own models in the same breath (sorry thread) as criticising them for not bringing out the Nomad lineup and the Superlight.
 
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Stephen_Spencer said:
TVS bought more than just the legacy bikes Voodoo, they bought the Norton Marque and with it a very strong link to the marques history - without that history they would never have purchased it at all. Should they remove this from the current Norton site?
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True dat!
Buy the name, buy the baggage (as well as the assets)!
And Skinner is still with Norton, Skinner designed the V4, ipso facto, TVS/Norton can lay claim to Norton's V4 TT history.
Consider this horse beaten to death.
 
BritTwit said:
Just saying that the shape and design of the V4 being sold by TVS/Norton now was the result of the TT effort.
So it follows that the new V4 "pays homage to" the Donington TT effort.
Come on, give the devil his due.

And yes, I think SG will claim that he had a hand in it, from his prison cell.
I'd love to see that prison interview article in MCN.;)
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prison cell?

I thought he got off WITHOUT a prison term?
 
Gojuu said:
"SG" isn't Norton. He's one person. When you discount everything as "SG" did it, you ignore the effort of everyone else that worked there. Someone designed the bike, the components, the engine. They did it under what was likely difficult circumstances. People worked on it and wanted it to succeed. They deserve credit and acknowledgement from all of us for what they achieved.
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THAT is a rational, worthwhile statement.

Thank you.
 
Voodooo said:
Team TVS or team garner could never take credit for historic Norton TT races or wins. They never had anything to do with them.
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Certainly TVS is not attempting to "take credit" for ANYTHING Norton ever did before they acquired the brand.

I don't know if gardner ever did... (although, I think not).

Time to walk away from that argument, it's a non-sequitur.
 
Voodooo said:
I’m not saying the V4 wasn’t born or raced at the TT.

I’m only saying that no matter how you look at it, it all happened before TVS bought the Norton brand.
Team TVS or team garner could never take credit for historic Norton TT races or wins. They never had anything to do with them. The only similarities are the names on the bikes.

I’ll give TVS credit when they actually accomplish something of their own design and engineering. So far they haven’t shown anything of the sort.
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You have to give them credit for re-enginnering though! Thats what TVS is famous for as well!
 
TVS are aiming at a potential owner who couldn't care less about the history. The history to TVS is I think of no interest to them either.
 
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