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As the historic taxation class is up to '74, my 850 Mk IIA is now eligible (manufactured 09/73), but it was only registered in '74.
What do I need to be able to convince the Revenue to give me a free disc? NOC dating certificate?

Advice welcome!
 
Its the year of manufacture which is before 74 , (it was 73) ,that counts for us , but DVLA take the Registered date which could be well after the manufactured date so its up to you to give them evidence of the manufactured date to get the tax exemption .

I reckon you will need a dating Cert John .
 
I'll be interested to see how you get on. I did get an NOC dating cert for my '77 registered '72/'73 'Bitsa' but haven't figured out exactly how to use the V55/5 form the DVLA sent me. It doesn't quite make sense since its for a first registration but I was told that's what was needed. Will have to look into it a bit deeper.........
 
Keith1069 said:
I'll be interested to see how you get on. I did get an NOC dating cert for my '77 registered '72/'73 'Bitsa' but haven't figured out exactly how to use the V55/5 form the DVLA sent me. It doesn't quite make sense since its for a first registration but I was told that's what was needed. Will have to look into it a bit deeper.........
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Hi Keith,

From past experience, any age-related registration needs a V55/5 to be filled out - my Combat had the original log-book, but as it was pre-83 I had to fill out the V55-5, get NOC confirmation (photos/rubbings of VIN, Engine number and photos of bike), and I finally got the original number back - actually quite quickly in the end. ISTR the frame number is the date fixer - I guess this was your experience?

Just fill in the bits you can - it seemed to work OK for me!

Thanks for the advice chaps - looks like an e-mail to the NOC is next :)
 
I have had similar experience

if your bike still retains its original registration number and log book and was built late 73 but not actually registered until 74 basically you do not have a hope in hell
as it was not officially registered until 74 this is what the DVLA will classify as the first registration date they do have archives going back and for £25.00 you can request your original
reg number if you have lost your log book but have frame / engine numbers that match their records ( they may request inspection and MOT ) before re issuing a number

if it is built from parts and does not retain the original number you may be able to use the dating certificate to gain free tax

if you already have a log book in hand personally I would avoid the hassle and take the easy path pay the RFL and wait until they move the free tax cut off date

Good luck
 
kiwi said:
I have had similar experience

if your bike still retains its original registration number and log book and was built late 73 but not actually registered until 74 basically you do not have a hope in hell
as it was not officially registered until 74 this is what the DVLA will classify as the first registration date they do have archives going back and for £25.00 you can request your original
reg number if you have lost your log book but have frame / engine numbers that match their records ( they may request inspection and MOT ) before re issuing a number

if it is built from parts and does not retain the original number you may be able to use the dating certificate to gain free tax

if you already have a log book in hand personally I would avoid the hassle and take the easy path pay the RFL and wait until they move the free tax cut off date

Good luck
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The manufacture date is the key, but we'll see!
The bike is already registered with the new-style log book, and currently on a SORN
Factory Record certificate has been ordered (£10 for NOC members), so I'll report any progress. I've got most of a month before the legislation comes into force, so hope to have it all in place.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
john robert bould said:
JAN1ist 1973?
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I beleive the cutoff date was the end of the first week (or first seven days) in Jan. 1973 -not a lot of people know this.

The registration number is not an indication of when it was made, it could have languished for years in a dealers showroom before it was first registered.
 
john robert bould said:
JAN1ist 1973?
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That's what it is currently, but in April this year it's going forward a year so any vehicle manufactured in 1973 or earlier qualifies.

If it's pre 1960 it doesn't need an MOT anymore either. My 1955 Norton qualifies for that but my MOT man suggested I still take it for an MOT for safety's sake. I told him not to hold his breath. I'm not going to ride anything that isn't safe & being certified safe on one day each year isn't a guarantee of anything.

Ian
 
Nortoniggy said:
john robert bould said:
JAN1ist 1973?
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That's what it is currently, but in April this year it's going forward a year so any vehicle manufactured in 1973 or earlier qualifies.

If it's pre 1960 it doesn't need an MOT anymore either. My 1955 Norton qualifies for that but my MOT man suggested I still take it for an MOT for safety's sake. I told him not to hold his breath. I'm not going to ride anything that isn't safe & being certified safe on one day each year isn't a guarantee of anything.
Ian
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May I ask where you have got this information from :?:
 
Bernhard said:
Nortoniggy said:
john robert bould said:
JAN1ist 1973?
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That's what it is currently, but in April this year it's going forward a year so any vehicle manufactured in 1973 or earlier qualifies.

If it's pre 1960 it doesn't need an MOT anymore either. My 1955 Norton qualifies for that but my MOT man suggested I still take it for an MOT for safety's sake. I told him not to hold his breath. I'm not going to ride anything that isn't safe & being certified safe on one day each year isn't a guarantee of anything.
Ian
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May I ask where you have got this information from :?:
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'Tis all in Here, M'lud...

http://www.historicvehicles.org.uk/hvg3.php

So as of April 1st, My *Manufactured* in 1973 850 is a historic Vehicle - I hope
 
Just fill in the bits you can - it seemed to work OK for me!
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Thanks for that. Will give it a go. BTW the bike is now emerald green metallic..........I chickened out on the flake as the base paint was so nice. ATB.
 
Update - Free tax disc arrived today :mrgreen:

Government also announced it will be a rolling 40 years from now on, which is good.
Next year one of my Ducatis will qualify too - actually manufactured during '75' and never registered at the time as it was a race bike, but DVLA age-related rules mean it has to be declared manufactured at the beginning of the year stated by the Owner's Club, so that's what I was obliged to put on the V55/5 when I applied for a log-book.

Damn. :wink:
 
Just to clarify my problem.
I have a 1974 Mk11a which was off the road for a long time. No log book or tax. Rebuilt by the previous owner who re registered it with an age related plate.
On the log book it states " date of first registration " as 01-01-2009, this was the date it went back on the road. The engine and frame numbers (matching), date it as manufactured in 1974.
Now the dvla web site states " V5C Registration Certificate showing the date of registration as prior to 1st January 1975 " , which mine clearly does not.
Will the owners club factory record certificate be enough for them?
Thanks for any help
chris r
 
blacklav said:
Just to clarify my problem.
I have a 1974 Mk11a which was off the road for a long time. No log book or tax. Rebuilt by the previous owner who re registered it with an age related plate.
On the log book it states " date of first registration " as 01-01-2009, this was the date it went back on the road. The engine and frame numbers (matching), date it as manufactured in 1974.
Now the dvla web site states " V5C Registration Certificate showing the date of registration as prior to 1st January 1975 " , which mine clearly does not.
Will the owners club factory record certificate be enough for them?
Thanks for any help
chris r
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The NOC document is considered adequate proof of dating for the DVLA, so I'd say 'yes'. Apart from the date of first registration, there is also a 'declared manufactured' statement which is the key factor in your case (as it was for my 900SS) - the NOC certificate should sort this out.

I've just finished another basket-case MkIIA myself (see the 'photos' section), and I've just applied for a dating certificate. The DVLA have now shut down their regional offices, so it's purely a document gathering exercise without any inspection of the bike - just the photos required by the NOC for dating purposes. If the bike hasn't got a current log-book there's a V55-5 form which also needs to be submitted to the DVLA, but you won't need this in your case.
 
The regional offices have shut but the regional inspection facilities are still there, so if they want an inspection it can still be done locally. Locally could mean 40 miles as it is in my case.
 
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