Tyre a change of method

I'm in process of fitting a Tubebliss inner inner tube. But so dreaded a 5th round de round removing the almost too big aged 130 tire for WM3 rim. So remembered the tools a small tire shop used on my tractor mower & took it there in hopes of a relief lesion. It paid off well by use of rigid gasket chisels and Tubebliss method of prying bead on & off leaving rim inside to press into tire then suck right out. This way is both easier to lever tire but also put tips of levers inside the rim not over the pretty side. We removed the tire with it vertical leaned against a leg always supported by the tire no no of stand or pads just a bucket or chair to sit on.

This tool slips in w/o much effort. Will need to radius the corners but no need to dull the cutting edge as grab tire bead securely w/o extending much to injury a tube or this 'inner inner tube'.
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance- ... 0/10002/-1


So easy an Ozark Mt. man could ... http://tubliss.com/
Video to wait through Tubliss install till part 6 tire install and on to dismount.
http://www.nuetech.com/video.shtml

I found these nice. About $30 delivered.



Dave
69S

Yes, but I don't seem at to using spoons, mainly d/t the thickness to shove under tight strung tire. The rural tire shop in a shed has a 3 ft long Al bar with both a mostly flat spoon and a dished one like your pair, even it is hard to get in compared to how the gasket scraper worked. I use up a lot of tire when riding half wear half destroyed by cuts and rips and bulges or cord twist distortions.

I got to get tire job down to routine reasonable effort, so I don't tend to ride em down so thin. I've made cable cutter and bolt cutter to take off 17" fatso tires as easier to clip em across than fight the levers. Going on is pretty easy though and will try this - stick rim in tire first method on them too to see how it goes.

I was so pleased to see how easy these shop got it off by the chisels while sitting down and just taking it easy. We'd tried all the prior normal best tire tools before owner calling for the good stuff.

Well, I was only putting on a 3.00 19 Speedmaster on the front and a 4.10 19 Roadrunner on the rear and the local bike shop already knocked a chunk of chrome off the rear rim, so I did my own. Used plastic bottle to keep the metal off the chrome. Pretty easy tyres to mount but I did have trouble with cheap leaky tubes in the 3.00, you can't find quality tubes in that size that I know of.

Dave
69S

Hm, Dog, I've been hearing about fragile tube last few years, leaks creep up on ya like wind gusts then slam ya like a tornado. Hm, I would imagine a good ole Harley shop - catalog would have good tubes at BigTwin prices. I'd also think MX racer shops would have good ones, though might be the thicker heavy duty sort.
I just ain't smart enough or disciplined enough to prepare plastic protectors when tire flat or the mood strikes to renew it.

Anywho, how do you stick a tire on, place tire on one side of rim then work both beads into valley from the same side, or shove rim into tire valley and lever each side on from opposite sides? I just saw how reverse worked, pry off bead to its own side, shove rim down in tire then pull it out like a doughnut hole.

Cool tire changing tool! Friend here in town invented it! http://tinyurl.com/3xj8e3w

bmwbob said:

Cool tire changing tool! Friend here in town invented it! http://tinyurl.com/3xj8e3w

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It would be nice to see how it works. I tried all I could to mount or dismount modern tires and being old and weak could not do it. I used to do that so easily a few years ago, now whoever said the meek shall inherit the earth :?: maybe that is true, but they could never mount their own tires that's for sure

Jean

I just put one bead in, pull that side on going right around, install tube and then pull the other bead on, same way. Yes, I've seen some of the modern tyres are really stiff. My Avons were easy, even for my old weak state.

Dave
69S

It would be nice to see how it works.

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Here you go

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Jeandr said:

bmwbob said:

Cool tire changing tool! Friend here in town invented it! http://tinyurl.com/3xj8e3w

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It would be nice to see how it works. I tried all I could to mount or dismount modern tires and being old and weak could not do it. I used to do that so easily a few years ago, now whoever said the meek shall inherit the earth :?: maybe that is true, but they could never mount their own tires that's for sure

Jean

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Basically it holds the tire bead so you can install the tube air valve with any hassle.

I bought this from J&P Harley for ~$20 but ain't found it that helpful dealing with getting the bead on or off - only nice to lift tire for tube but that's never been an issue to me, just getting the darn beads on and off to get to easy part of stuffing a tube in or pulling out to patch. Mine is for sale cheap or available for shipping to see if anyone wants to see for themselves if its better for them or not. I'm not getting weaker as I age 59 but weaker will power to use brute force on routine procedure so trying to get smarter at it and save reserves for homestead labor.


I got the TUBLISS inner inner tube installed last pm, but not yet inflated or put on big tire yet, still in bliss state it'll slip on as slick as sales video shows.

I bought 3 rigid gasket scrappers and ground corners off and tapered to almost sharp edges and find they work a treat on levering on/off tires. Got front tire off to patch last spoke leak while sitting on stool. Got too tight 130 off WM3 rim and fitted the Tubliss inner inner tube 360 bead clamp by myself sitting on stool. Then got it mostly on again but so tight last lip I needed to ask wife to hold one of the scrappers so tension didn't flip it back over rim edge. 6th time in so many months - this time tire was as bad off centered as ever, ugh, but with C clamps, standing tire edge and using a pair of levers with soapy water lube I've gotten it 60% centered to so expect to win it in a few days - with rest intervals : (

I have the same irons as DogT. Used them on my AM26 tires with no problem other than getting the STEM in...now that I have seen the mighty Tire Tamer I will have to get one of those as well or make one from some of my old screw drivers. You can get the spoon shaped irons like the DogT variety that are much longer. They also cost a bunch more. I just slid a piece of pipe over mine when I needed the extra oomph. But the BEST tool I have is a larger ceramic crock suitable for making kraut or about the right size to lay a 19" rim on. It keeps it about 18" off the floor and is heavy enough that I can grunt and strain without it moving around. I am willing to bet they are fairly easy to find since nobody makes kraut anymore!

Russ

Holy schnikees! I just looked at Ebay and my tire stand is worth a couple hundred bucks. I guess I better not tell the wife!

Deleted post. Don't ask me how a disc brake post got in the tire thread. I'm sixty-six is the only excuse I'm offering.

Russ,
When I change M/C tyres, I get the garden cart out, the one with the big bicycle wheels and throw a piece of plywood across it and work on the tyres standing up. Much better than either bending over or sitting on the ground which gets to be a real pain as you get older. I guess you could do it in the back of the P/U too, but it limits your range.

I'd love to see a pic of your cabbage composter.

Dave
69S

There's endless ways to support a wheel at comfort level. I generally use living room carpet or a spare car tire case with or w/o padding. Humphf in half my tire changes, just getting tire on is only half the battle, getting bead to center all the way around can take rather longer. I could get used to this sitting down method as I"m being supported by tire or tools. Getting bead centered requires bouncing tire or stomping around on it, on padded surface, so even a nice stand is only half useful in some changes.

I got tire on for 6th time but only 60% centered. Few hours later I double C clamped budge out of rim and two levers lifting bead in area too far into rim.
Gained ~10%, repeated a few hour later and gained 10 more %, slept and awoke to find its self gained 5% more on its own, relaxing the distortion I guess. This am I used one C clamp and one lever to gain 15% more, then let it rest in front of fireplace to find it self centered a bit more. Then early afternoon just stood on bead a few times on both sides and gained within 5% of full centering. I have not put air in yet but its about ripe for that phase of inside help. May take me two more days at this rate to get the big ole race tire on the little ole WM3 rim. I know it can, just don't know if I can again.

You should try taking the front tyre off a John Deere 2020. Have to drive the P/U on the tyre, just missing the rim, then jump or beat with a 8 or 10 lb. maul, or the Arkansas toothpick (digging bar, the chest builder) just to get the bead started off, hopefully missing the rim. Hopefully when the bead breaks the rest goes off and you don't have to drive on it again on the other side, and if you're lucky, you don't need to do the other bead. Then getting those long valves into the hole is another 1/2 day project with lots of blood on the back of the hand. I took a tube out once and the last guy had put the tube in backwards with the valve on the wrong side, but he got it in, can you believe it?

Don't even ask about the rear, you just have to call the tractor tyre people, they come out and you pay for it.

I did both Avons in one morning, but with a leaky oriental tube, I had to change the front again.

Dave
69S

Dave, thanks for the stress strain and swearing I'd have to pay someone for. I'm 59 yr old and ain't had a pure urban life so know tire changes on big trucks and trackers and tracked bulldozers. Also been around no power tire stations in other countries, ugh, we got it easy and I want to keep it that way best I can thank you.

I once put on tire I knew was not centered but it held air and thought good enough then about 6 miles down the road it burped out all its air and almost hi sided me instant tank slap going 50 mph over a slight crest that flung me across far lane and horriific fight till slow enough to put a foot down. Pure terror lesion I never want again. If had happened with traffic I'd not be here now.

I'm trying 130 race tire made for WM3 rim but its a tight fit. I'm trying this miss match because of Peel's extra power for better wear and maybe better grip for sprints and hopefully leans too. I may not like its extra mass to power around but first must get it mounted right and holding air 'tubeless' which is still up in the air if I can.

Also would like to be able to ride to sand dunes or such and switch out to a knobby then switch back for ride home.

Hi All

I always use slippy suff on my tyre bead and rim when fitting tyres, they just slip strait on the rim and the same when removing the old tyres as well using decent tyre levers do help, but using slippy stuff and a good rubber hammer is all I nomaly use when fitting tyres to my rims, but a good set of tyre levers to remove, I usaly use 3 tyre levers to help remove them, I have 2 long levers and 2 short ones that get under the bead to remove...

I do all my bikes, road and dirt bikes, it is good to know how to do your own tyres as some times we go away for a week out bush camping with the dirt bikes and to be able to fix your own flat tyres, I always carry spare cubes as well as repair kits, but you must spend the money and buy decent cubes, not offten I have flats but is good to have spares and the knollege to fix them...

And a good air supply helps...

Ashley

hobot said:

I'm in process of fitting a Tubebliss inner inner tube.

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OK hobot, I have to know. What's a "Tubebliss inner inner tube?" I'll admit upfront that if you answered it in your original post I missed it. For the life of me I can't decipher most of your prose ... the limitation is mine I suspect.