Trump seems to be doing well so far...

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There is an old Australian saying - ' she'll be right, Mate. If it ain't broke don't fix it !' - We never 'do it right, first time.
' We've had at least three politicians similar to Trump. Currently, it is Abbott and Hanson - bogans elect them due to inverted snobbery against intellectuals.
 
xbacksideslider said:
Climate Fraud - ClimateGate II
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That is fairly old 'news' - several years old in fact.
If you google about, there are probably millions of pages of discussion about it
- and an amended and corrected version of the report.
You obviously don't take any interest in these things ?

There are of course many many many reports of increasing climate variability.
All sorts of aspects are being researched.
Including increasing water temps around the polar regions.
John Kerry himself visited the Antarctic just recently, to hear and see for himself the changes.
No climate scientist who has been to Antarctica is in any doubt.
Those polar ice caps are changing....
(Buy Antarctic real estate, and beat the rush !)

NOW, Australia has just broken a number of weather records this summer.
And the summer is not over yet.
You noted the reports of severe coral bleaching in the more northern parts of Australia's The Great Barrier Reef ?
The water is getting so hot its killing the coral, on a widespread scale.
http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/media-room/cor ... mperatures
Coral bleaching is of course more frequently happening around much of the world in equatorial regions...

And, as any yatchie can tell you, the old Roaring Forties are now the Roaring Fifties - the strong "trade wind" bands have moved further south (it is the sthn hemisphere) and this has somewhat changed the climate of the entire sthn hemisphere, the entire climate system is shifting about.
(Who says climate change isn't happening ?)

Something similar is happening in the nthn hemisphere, but those researching it have been somewhat muted ?
An example is that the tornado systems of the mid west have been moving northward, at a steady progression of miles per year - isn't Chicago itself expected to start seeing* tornadoes in the next few years ?
*more often, there have been rare ones.
 
Rohan -

But for your prejudice, you would have read the link.
And then, you would know that this Climategate is circa 2015-2016. It's dubbed "Climategate II."
Again, as before, it involves fabrication and twisting of data, violation and abridgement of procedure.

Read the link.

I agree, earth is warming.

We disagree on why . . . . and what, if anything, humanity can, or should, do about it.
 
I had trouble reading bits of that particular report/page - it kept jumping about (ads ?)
But that is OLD news, it appeared in 2014 (?), has been WELL discussed and dismissed. (?)

For something more recent, and more reputable, how about this.
"2016 was the hottest year on record "
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/18/world ... test-year/


Now, why would recent years suddenly show increased temps,
when past climate shifts were slow gradual gentle changes.
The current pace of change is way more than anything that has happened in the past...
 
xbacksideslider said:
Rohan -

But for your prejudice, you would have read the link.
And then, you would know that this Climategate is circa 2015-2016. It's dubbed "Climategate II."
Again, as before, it involves fabrication and twisting of data, violation and abridgement of procedure.

Read the link.

I agree, earth is warming.

We disagree on why . . . . and what, if anything, humanity can, or should, do about it.

Even the flat-earthers agree it's warming. The "natural causes" argument is all they have left at this point. Eventually it will come down to belief.

Off course, if you found it on the internet, the link must be fact. :roll:
 
In science there are no 'FACTS' because everything is based on statistical probability. Risk may be assessed in terms of likelihood (probability) and potential consequences. So where does 'BELIEF' come into it ? Many people seem to enjoy perversely promoting the argument, the unlikely side of probability represents simply to accommodate their political predeliction, which is often based on 'BELIEF'.
If you believe that mankind cannot slow the climate change process by modifying our use of fossil fuels, then we are all stuffed. We will probably be OK until the ice caps disappear each summer. However the storm events will be horrendous until that happens. After that - who knows ?
 
I confess error.

I should have said "I agree, the climate is changing" because the "consensus" can't make up its mind - warming or cooling.

It's absurd. :shock: :lol: They say -

"Hurry up and do what we say, although we don't really agree on what we should do or what we should say, but we gotta do it now ! And, never mind that China and India and a hoard of other countries flat out refuse to do what we say. Never mind that, just do what we say. And, if you argue, even one little bit, then we'll call you names - you you you Flat earther! you knuckdragger, you imperialist racist homophobe you ! :cry: :roll:
 
I can remember when the general consensuses with science was we were heading in to an ice age. IIRC time magazine put it. on the cover, also don't forget that science said we were on the verge of running out of oil :shock: . yes climate does change as has been shown but I am not falling for the doom and gloom that it is all our fault so people like al gore can get rich from carbon offsets. if good al is so worried why don't he park his jet and at least fly commercial and sell his mansions. oh he is one of those do as i say not as i do.
 
bill said:
I can remember when the general consensuses with science was we were heading in to an ice age.

Oddly enough, or is that not surprisingly, atmospheric pollution and greenhouse gases are supposed to be at crossed purposes here. If we pollute the skies enough, 'global warming' can be reversed !!

Indeed, that dirty brown jet haze everywhere at 35,000 ft is said to be contributing to planet cooling.
The no-fly edict after 911 for 3 days apparently resulted in more sunlight so more growth for crops (in the USA )
(for those 3 days) than in many a year....

Some folks are just not going to be convinced - unless we find a stone tablet, signed by god that its all her fault... (?)
 
well than maybe we need to go back to the smoke belching dirty coal burning factory's and cars from the good ol days :lol: another way to look at it is the dirty country's are slowing the heating :mrgreen:

Rohan said:
Oddly enough, or is that not surprisingly, atmospheric pollution and greenhouse gases are supposed to be at crossed purposes here. If we pollute the skies enough, 'global warming' can be reversed !!
 
bill said:
another way to look at it is the dirty country's are slowing the heating

Yes, except they are having trouble even breathing that goop.....
 
Melania is "cashing in" on what?
Show us how that post is anything but a smear.

I mean Windy cites Gore, who bought an interest in the Chicago Mercantile Exchange while his Democrat pals were legislating a mandatory carbon credit market at that very exchange.

Now, THAT is "cashing in."
 
xbacksideslider said:
Melania is "cashing in" on what?
Show us how that post is anything but a smear.

I mean Windy cites Gore, who bought an interest in the Chicago Mercantile Exchange while his Democrat pals were legislating a mandatory carbon credit market at that very exchange.

Now, THAT is "cashing in."

Al Gore is neither the President (thanks to Jeb Bush and John Roberts) nor the subject of this thread.

Nobody knows how deeply "leveraged" Trump is or to how many foreign business entities who may not have the best interests of the USA at heart. His wife isn't the issue either, although no one has mentioned how different she looks than her photos from younger days, or how frozen her face looks from all the plastic surgery. She's as phony as he is. Now THAT'S a smear.

Every politician of any stripe "cashes in" on their power and position. Roy Blunt's (Mo. Senator and MC at the Inauguration) whole family, sons, daughter and trophy wife are all lobbyists.

Instead of posting links, why don't you just say what you think or think you know instead of trying to pre-verify your opinions with the opinions of internet trolls and fake newsies? Alternative facts can be pulled out of anyone's ass.
 
bill said:
I can remember when the general consensuses with science was we were heading in to an ice age. IIRC time magazine put it. on the cover, also don't forget that science said we were on the verge of running out of oil :shock: . yes climate does change as has been shown but I am not falling for the doom and gloom that it is all our fault so people like al gore can get rich from carbon offsets. if good al is so worried why don't he park his jet and at least fly commercial and sell his mansions. oh he is one of those do as i say not as i do.

This is how things get distorted, and headed in the wrong direction. Al Gore's the boogeyman, trying to steal all your life savings to run his ill-conceived crusade to pretend to save the planet. Reminds me of W's campaign to convince voters Gore was out to take everyone's guns away.

To my recollection, nobody ever said humanity was the SOLE cause of climate change, only that we are contributors. So if we spend the next several hundred years arguing to what degree we contribute, instead of reducing our contribution....

And if someone gets rich (God forbid!) from actually trying to mitigate our impact on the climate, how many will it take to equal all the loot the polluters have made fighting to keep status quo? Just because China and India do it, and we have to "compete" with them, then we have to pollute also?
 
aAl gore is not the boogegyman he is an opertunist trying to get rich on a scheme that DOES NOT FIX ANYTHING. the carbon offsets is is like letting me shi## in your well because i bought an offset .As to W -V -gore some of the lefties would have us left with muzzle loaders and cap pistols. this bull $$it about hunting and the second amendment is just that, it has NOTHING to do with hunting and everthing about MY right to own a gun PERIOD.

If you listen to some you would think that we ARE the MAIN cause of climate change. the US , Europe and aust. have done a lot to clean up our act and YES we need to get these third world country's on board BUT IMHO we are less of an effect than some want us to think. like i asked just what put us in an ice age and brought us out of the last ice age ? it sure was not caused by mankind. climate changes with or without us. the one thing I will agree on is we don't need to keep $hitting in our pool.

Danno said:
This is how things get distorted, and headed in the wrong direction. Al Gore's the boogeyman, trying to steal all your life savings to run his ill-conceived crusade to pretend to save the planet. Reminds me of W's campaign to convince voters Gore was out to take everyone's guns away.

To my recollection, nobody ever said humanity was the SOLE cause of climate change, only that we are contributors. So if we spend the next several hundred years arguing to what degree we contribute, instead of reducing our contribution....

And if someone gets rich (God forbid!) from actually trying to mitigate our impact on the climate, how many will it take to equal all the loot the polluters have made fighting to keep status quo? Just because China and India do it, and we have to "compete" with them, then we have to pollute also?
 
Is an airconditioner which is indirectly powered by coal , a better thing than one which is solar-powered ?
 
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