Trump seems to be doing well so far...

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Connected with the “out of work regular joes” that don’t understand their jobs were lost to automation and greed not immagration .... maybe
 
Undoubtedly.
Why those blue collar average Joe's (of whom I count myself a member) think Donald Trump or any rich Republican in DC gives a crap about them is beyond me. The man is under investigation by the FBI! Meeting upon meeting with Russians leading up to a compromised election. It's embarrassing.
 
Yup I worked outside for 30+ years .... I have felt very few positive or negative affects during my working life regardless of who was in power and what they had promised .... kept my head down went to work and took care of my family and myself , payed little attention to politics .... much too stressful to let that stuff intrude in anyone’s life .... now it seems more like a distorted form of painful entertainment than serious business
 
Same here Craig.
Although the current consequences of indifference are becoming increasingly dire.
Something not to think about while out on the bike!
 
Yes , too bad things have got to this point .... our generation had so much promise .....
 
it is this kind of hatred for trump that makes this an impossible conversation. so we now have a guilty till proven innocent system.some think obummer was the greatest thing since sliced bread but he was also on the wrong side and set race relations back 100 years with his coming out against law enforcement on numerous occasions. first was his beer summit because a cop was doing his job when he saw someone breaking in to a house and ferguson was another fine example with the hands up dont shoot lies along with travon martin, "if i had a son he would be like travon". he was a drug dealing thug and his mom sent him to his dad because she could not control him. yes it was 2 idiots met on that night but he was out looking to buy the stuff to make lean, look it up. i am done with you bunch with your blind hatred and out right nasty unproven remarks. this kind of crap is why nothing is getting done in DC!!!


I am retired now, but over 40 years in construction taught me a lot about how whoever's in office effects the economy. The best economy in my working life was when Bill Clinton was President and the second best was during Obama's term. I didn't give a shit that Clinton got a blowjob from an intern, I was busy paying my bills and raising a family. As far as I'm concerned, it's always bad news and always has been when Republicans take over. But I have never in my nearly 68 years on his earth seen such a corrupt, disorganized and downright hateful administration. W was inept and nearly drove the economy over the brink before Obama rescued it, but at least he was a decent human being. There are so many parallels between Hitler's rise to power and Trump's minority election it's scary. Nothing's getting done in Washington and sometimes that's a good thing, especially when the rich and powerful own the place like they have for the past two years. You can blame he incoming Democrats all you want, but Trump and his spineless toadies had complete control until recently and didn't do shit for working folks. They only made it easier for the greedy bastards with too much money to get even more, all at the expense of the people who grease the wheels, not to mention at the expense of the environment, and the rules of fair play and level playing fields. Trump told his friends he was gonna make them even richer and it's about he only time something truthful has come out of his mouth. The economy is tanking again, people's savings and retirement funds are dwindling, Mexico ain't gonna pay for the Wall. Kim Jong Ill still has plenty of nukes and the smile on the Putin's face couldn't be slapped off. I may have expressed hatred, but it isn't blind and it certainly isn't veiled racism like what's been posted above.
 
You couldn't be more wrong, but judging from the tone of your posts here, you're not open to learn anything that refutes your beliefs. As far as the economic meltdown during W's administration, Clinton was the cause of that. In fact Clinton caused a lot of bad outcomes based on his desire to do something good. The regulations on bank lending were changed by the clinton administration because they wanted to get more minorities and poor people invested into home ownership. This was smart because people who own something have a sense of personal pride and belonging, plus they are invested in the increasing valuation of their community. Fannymae was run by a Clinton appointee named Franklin Raines. You should look him up. He cooked the books at Fanny Mae so he could recieve his 100 million dollar bonus for it's reaching it's performance goals. When W took office, his transition team accepted the data and the reccomendations of the Clinton administration to continue their banking policies and the Fanny Mae lending. The scummy bankers were making bad loans to people who couldn't possibly make the payments on properties that were wildly overpriced because of the policies that flooded the marked with new buyers (illegitimately qualified ones) All of these loans were backed up by the garauntees of the Fed, so bankers were making these loans and also bundling them and reselling them as "good" investments

You should look up the repeal of the "glass-steagall act" which clinton supported in '99 which paved the way for bankers to sell mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations as investments. This was the last lynch pin in the collapse.

While I don't fault the idea of the clinton administration of trying to create more home ownership, they are a bunch of corrupt incompetent ideologs who didn't realize and probably to this day don't accept the blame for their shortsighted policies.

There were some decent things about clinton's administration. He was younger man and he had a huge ego, so he wanted to succeed for his "legacy" (you hear that word a lot regarding the clintons) He decided that he would get more legislation done if he made deals with the republicans led by Gingrich, rather than go with the Obama tactic and present a completely ideological agenda, then demonize anyone who opposed it. Hence the rise in the interpertation of everything opposing the ideas of a black president as "racist" these days. Obama seems like a "cool guy" to me, who's wrong about a lot of things. Sadly, he's extremely ideological, which is part of the reason people elected Trump. They were sick of being told that everything is racial in some way, or sexist, or anti-lgbtq, etc, etc... Clinton on the other hand tried to make deals and the perception that both sides of the isle were cooperating led to a great deal of optimism, which is a factor in economics that has a great effect.

The truth is that Obama caused Trump. Had he been more compromising and less ideologically left, Trump wouldn't have stood a chance. In some ways, public opinion acts like a pendulum. Swing it too hard to one direction or the other and it swings back harder the other way...

Mostly, this is a sad thread because it doesn't talk about policy. It's turned into a thread where people call trump and anyone who supports him a racist, without any proof. Of course, it's all claimed that there's a "dogwhistle" of some sort involved, which is to say that, "we can't prove it but,..."

Discuss policy and what's right or wrong with it, not how much you hate a person for his policy. Playing the race card over and over when proof is always claimed to be a dog whistle fact really diminishes actual debate about important things like policies and their effects.

*You have to laugh that trump wants to bring the troops home from syria and afghanistan, which seems like a vietnam solution to me and Both parties seem to oppose him on that. It has to make you wonder...

BTW, I'm not going to step in and defend all the allegations against Trump in this thread now, because I'm sure a few of you have the need to express your hate for him to signal your bretheren where you stand ideologically. I'm not going to argue with you here regardless of your fervor. I just think you all should talk about policy and result, not speculate on accusations, hyperbole, and inuendo...
 
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I don't consider Trump a racist - he's just a very rich looney-tunes who trundles along with his eyes closed. He was really annoyed to find, after he "logged in", that the President isn't in charge of all the branches of the government. His obsession with the border wall is totally beyond ridiculous. If it wasn't for the ability to use Air Force One, he might have resigned by now, but then we'd have President Pence. That might be even worse.

I'm glad to be as far away from that Washington and in fairly comfortable retirement in the Western one. I'm not sure Trump even knows it exists. When I was a child in England (late 1940's) it was common to have inoffensive alternate words for things people considered vulgar. "Trump" was used as a substitute for "fart". Appropriate? I refer to him as "President Fart".
 
I just think you all should talk about policy and result, not speculate on accusations, hyperbole, and inuendo...
Frank,
A well reasoned and objective contribution and one which should hold true, especially in relation to policies.
Unfortunately, for those of us looking in from the outside, it appears that much of the current policy is made up on the spot or via a tweet. Advisors then seem to rally round to support the policy as best they can in order to support the office of President.

There is some truth in the “fake news” claim from the Trump administration which only serves to fan the flames against him whilst also making the administration look defensive by claiming constant bias - a lose- lose situation

We all need a higher standard from our politicians but the current crop don’t seem up to the task
John
 
The voters' reaction to Obama caused Trump to be elected - a reaction to common decency ? Bill Clinton made it too easy for people to go into debt and buy their own homes ? - What world are you living in ? In America, isn't there enough money to go around ? You put individualism ahead of collectivism then expect everyone to be happy. Perhaps there have been too many American movies with big heroes such as John Wayne - 'truth, justice and the American way' ? - That is Trump - BULLSHIT ! - John Wayne was never in the army.
My father was a WW2 soldier, he loved John Wayne and Humphrey Bogart movies. They were real men.
 
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I was never interested in politics until I retired and recognised what the conservatives have achieved. The job I had as a scientist no longer exists, because Australia has almost entirely lost it's technology base. When Menzies was elected in 1948, he had all the war industries to play with and develop. From that time until now, most Australian government have been Conservative. Because of them, everything I did during my working life means nothing.
 
i said i was done with this but i will respond to this. trump did not get to where he is by trundling along with his eyes closed and i am pretty sure he has a real good idea how the US government is set up. as to the wall clinton , hw bush, obama, pelosie and shumer have supported it and with out a border you have no country. also it is one of the promises he made when running and has been one of the very few to run on a promises and keep them. as for air force he has his own personal 757 so i dont think he ran just so he could us another jet. he is the only politacion to give away his pay checks that i know of. just look at how the likes of pelosie, clintons and now obama have become multi millionaires on a salarie of less than $200,000 a year. he was right when he called it a swamp as about everyone that goes up there becomes corrupted.

on pence i remember the same arguments about JFK. we cannot have a catholic in the white house or we are doomed so that is a non starter IMHO.

I don't consider Trump a racist - he's just a very rich looney-tunes who trundles along with his eyes closed. He was really annoyed to find, after he "logged in", that the President isn't in charge of all the branches of the government. His obsession with the border wall is totally beyond ridiculous. If it wasn't for the ability to use Air Force One, he might have resigned by now, but then we'd have President Pence. That might be even worse.
 
So, does it count if you're corrupt BEFORE you get into office?
Why you people think an asshole billionaire gives two shits about you or any American is beyond me.
I implore you, turn off FOX news.
 
i said i was done with this but i will respond to this. trump did not get to where he is by trundling along with his eyes closed and i am pretty sure he has a real good idea how the US government is set up. as to the wall clinton , hw bush, obama, pelosie and shumer have supported it and with out a border you have no country. also it is one of the promises he made when running and has been one of the very few to run on a promises and keep them. as for air force he has his own personal 757 so i dont think he ran just so he could us another jet. he is the only politacion to give away his pay checks that i know of. just look at how the likes of pelosie, clintons and now obama have become multi millionaires on a salarie of less than $200,000 a year. he was right when he called it a swamp as about everyone that goes up there becomes corrupted.

on pence i remember the same arguments about JFK. we cannot have a catholic in the white house or we are doomed so that is a non starter IMHO.

Trump has no idea how government runs and very little idea on how a business runs except that he wants his way and has an army of lawyers telling him how to get it without getting in trouble with the law. And we're starting to see lawyers going under the bus for what they've done for him. The only promise he's kept is to make every effort to dismantle anything his predecessor put into place.

Trump was on the verge of total failure when someone (Russian money) bailed him out. For the next few years, he made money slapping his name in gold all over a bunch of failed projects where the builders and contractors were never paid (something else he lawyered out of) and being a clown on tv.

Pence is a religious toadie fundamentalist who would crawl into bed with Beelezeub and some of Trump's pornstar castoffs if it would further his political career. God is on his side, after all (where's the puke smilie when you need it?)

And every President in recent history has given their Presidential salary away. He doesn't fly around in a "personal" jet, he goes golfing on the taxpayer dole, something he criticized Obama for even though he does it twice as much as Obama did. Can you say "hypocrite"? Sure you can. If you think he owns everything his name is slathered on, check the facts. In fact, fact check everything you just said, because it's all fantasy.

When people rely on blind faith rather than reality the results are a booth-tanned huckster sitting in the oval office.
 
Does it really matter if Trump is dumb and corrupt ? Probably nobody is smarter and less corrupt than anybody else. The main thing a leader must do is make decisions, right or wrong and appear to be exercising care. If you have blind faith in any leader, you are an idiot. With all of his bumbling idiocy, Trump might accidentally do some good. I suspect that opposing neoliberal globalisation might be a valid thing to do. But the consequences might be horrendous.
 
So, Trump is going to suspend the shutdown for 3 weeks, it had got so bad the Airforce one was not going to be able to fly
 
I don't like Trump and I don't like Nazism. However I dislike Communism even more. Trump's actions are opposing an undemocratic political regime. If it was not him doing it, who would it be ? 'Social credit' is not a new concept - it now just has a name.
 
And when asked if he thought the Christchurch massacres reflected a rising global threat from white nationalism, Trump responded, "I don't, really. I think it's a small group of people with serious problems." It's hard to imagine he would have taken such a mild, mental health line if the shooter had been Muslim.

Research by the Anti-Defamation League showed that over the last decade, 73.3% of all extremist-related fatalities in the US could be linked to domestic right-wing extremists, while 23.4% were attributable to Islamist extremists.

73%. Right. Wing. Terrorists.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...peR46N2dkFsEqXwPRxUex4fmv2qUHeivgdB_QfS5aUHko
 
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