The 1968 tank and side cover colour

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I have just now bought a 1968 P11 (not Ranger) here in Italy.
The bike was agovernement italian bike and has a light miltary green colour.
Then has a two in one black left exhaust and a strange air filter that then both goes half meter up the seat on righ side and on the left side like the war military Bianchi (italian bike).
The seller says that he bought the bike from a stock of military bikes and there was another same with sidecar that he sold before the summer to a guy that went from Malta.
The questions are:
Do you have news about military P11? Was the factory to customize this bike or made italians here?
I wish repaint in the original colour: is it the candy red like 1969 BSA R3?.
Ehen the tank has the badge or the decals?.
Have the side covers any decals?
Who supply the stock air filter and exhaust system?
Thank you.
Ciao
Piero
 
Hello Piero,
I have never heard of or ever seen a military spec P11.
Can you post a picture.
Candy apple red is the usual colour for the P11 and Rangers though.
Regards,
Paul.
 
Hi.
I have read on NOC (Hybrid Norton) that some P11 was green.
If not the factory maybe the italian dealer had customized for italian rangers.
The same seller says he has bought this bike with another one with sidecar!!!
I have found this bike on a italian magazine of selling only military stuff (i was looking for an old Willis) and the bike was named not norton but only "motocicletta anfibia" that means amphibian bike.
When the bike will arrive at home i will make the pictures.
Ciao
Piero
 
Hello Piero,

Are you certain the bike is a P11 and not an N15? The N15 would be more likely to have been exported to Italy for military use and is more likely to be adapted for sidecar use. The brazed Reynolds 531 frame on a P11 would not seem sturdy enough to pull a car. The N15 frame had sidecar lugs.

Does the engine number begin with P11/12XXXX? Does it have Matchless wheels or Norton wheels?

If it is truly a 1968 P11 it is likely a P11A which would have the plastic "N" badge on the tank, a dual seat, passenger pegs, and a chainguard. It also would have a cast aluminum taillight and originally would have low level exhaust pipes.
 
Ron L said:
Hello Piero,

Are you certain the bike is a P11 and not an N15? The N15 would be more likely to have been exported to Italy for military use and is more likely to be adapted for sidecar use. The brazed Reynolds 531 frame on a P11 would not seem sturdy enough to pull a car. The N15 frame had sidecar lugs.

Does the engine number begin with P11/12XXXX? Does it have Matchless wheels or Norton wheels?

If it is truly a 1968 P11 it is likely a P11A which would have the plastic "N" badge on the tank, a dual seat, passenger pegs, and a chainguard. It also would have a cast aluminum taillight and originally would have low level exhaust pipes.
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Hi Ron,
I mean.
Engine is P11/1226xx.
Forks and hubs are not as Atlas one but are different like the P11 type.
About the sidecar bike i have never seen it but only heard the seller talking about; may be could be a N15 as you said.
Ciao
Piero
 
P11 1967 Production - First P11/121007 - Last P11/123012. about 700 made, interspersed with Atlas, 650SS and N15/G15

About the paint:

To mix ONE PINT of the base color, the formula is:
354.4 grams of Deltron DMD690, with,
106.6 grams of Deltron DMD689
This gives a one pint total of 461.2 grams of Orion Silver (DBC34236).
The silver base coat is considered to be a course silver
Place two coats of this silver on the tank as the base coat.

To mix ONE PINT of the color coat (G80CS RED), the formula is:
12.4 grams of Deltron DMX211 Orange, with,
17.7 grams of Deltron DMX214, with,
399.8 grams of Deltron DBC500
This gives a gives a one pint total of 429.9 grams of G80CS RED (my - Dave Campbell's - name not theirs).

Place 4 to 5 LIGHT coats of this color coat over the base coat of coarse silver.
The final TOP COAT is Deltron DCU2042 Low VOC Speed Clear, but that can be substituted
be some other clear coats. I would advise caution when substituting the Clear Coat to insure
that it is compatible with the PPG Deltron 2000 color coat.
You can obtain a spec sheet on all of these individual parts and pieces by simply going to any
local PPG dealer and asking for the following informational specification sheets:
PPG P-196 covering DPLF Epoxy Primer,
PPG P-169P covering PRIMA Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer K36 (it is vitally important to
remember that this can not be used on bare metal,
PPG P-175 Deltron 2000 Base coat DBC/DBI, and finally,
PPG P216 DCU 2042 Low VOC Speed Clear."

This is the mix I used when I painted my Ranger and G15CS (and also my 850 Commando).

I masked off the underside of my Ranger tank (the part that straddles the frame, and not prone to sun fading) and found no discernible difference in color when done.

The engine is clearly a P11. The frame would be stamped with the same serial number (1226xx) on the headstock. The correct color would be as described above.
 
BillT said:
P11 1967 Production - First P11/121007 - Last P11/123012. about 700 made, interspersed with Atlas, 650SS and N15/G15

About the paint:

To mix ONE PINT of the base color, the formula is:
354.4 grams of Deltron DMD690, with,
106.6 grams of Deltron DMD689
This gives a one pint total of 461.2 grams of Orion Silver (DBC34236).
The silver base coat is considered to be a course silver
Place two coats of this silver on the tank as the base coat.

To mix ONE PINT of the color coat (G80CS RED), the formula is:
12.4 grams of Deltron DMX211 Orange, with,
17.7 grams of Deltron DMX214, with,
399.8 grams of Deltron DBC500
This gives a gives a one pint total of 429.9 grams of G80CS RED (my - Dave Campbell's - name not theirs).

Place 4 to 5 LIGHT coats of this color coat over the base coat of coarse silver.
The final TOP COAT is Deltron DCU2042 Low VOC Speed Clear, but that can be substituted
be some other clear coats. I would advise caution when substituting the Clear Coat to insure
that it is compatible with the PPG Deltron 2000 color coat.
You can obtain a spec sheet on all of these individual parts and pieces by simply going to any
local PPG dealer and asking for the following informational specification sheets:
PPG P-196 covering DPLF Epoxy Primer,
PPG P-169P covering PRIMA Acrylic Urethane Primer Surfacer K36 (it is vitally important to
remember that this can not be used on bare metal,
PPG P-175 Deltron 2000 Base coat DBC/DBI, and finally,
PPG P216 DCU 2042 Low VOC Speed Clear."

This is the mix I used when I painted my Ranger and G15CS (and also my 850 Commando).

I masked off the underside of my Ranger tank (the part that straddles the frame, and not prone to sun fading) and found no discernible difference in color when done.

The engine is clearly a P11. The frame would be stamped with the same serial number (1226xx) on the headstock. The correct color would be as described above.
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Hi and thank you very much.
I am thinking to leave the bike as a military.
I am research the history of this bike.
If some has never seen one please let me know.
Ciao
Piero
 
Hi.
The bike was not a military bike but was customized for a famous war movie shot in ex Jugoslavia.
Ciao
Piero
 
Thought you had stumbled upon a real rarity for a while there Piero.
ATB,
Paul.
 
Paul W said:
Thought you had stumbled upon a real rarity for a while there Piero.
ATB,
Paul.
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Hi.
I am very happy tha same.
It was a famous movie with Clint Eastwood.
Ciao
Piero
 
[quote="Deets55
Could it be this bike?:
http://orangecyclepartsblog.com/clint-e ... otorcycle/[/quote]

That takes me too a shot of Eastwood on a Commando S. Perhaps you were looking for this publicity shot on a P11A while filming "Where Eagles Dare":
The 1968 tank and side cover colour
 
Hi.
I dont know much more!
The seller have said me that he bought many time ago a couple of bike cistomizef military that were used to shot a war film in Jugoslavia with the actor CE.
He confirm that the same bike P11 with a sidecar went to Malta.
The seller remember other same bike military wore in that auction bought from other buyers.
Ciao
Piero
 
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