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Got my bike back from the dealer. Cases sealed up, upgraded valve covers, factory tranny vent (bought the nice one from Richard7, dealer didn't install it because Norton sent their version) new rings and honed cylinder head, new cables and a few other things. Took it out for 75 mile thrashing. Bone dry. Ran great!
So....maybe it's finally worthy of a photo. My first attempt with photobucket, so please bare with me. Edited post. The photo didn't work. More research to be done.

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That's great news. Judging by the reports coming in from other forums this fix seems to be 'the fix'.
 
Hello Britfan , Does your new rocker cover have the vent lines going to the air box and coming from the crankcase blanked off ? I have seen the latest version of the fix that still incorporates the original lines. There is an additional mod done inside the rocker box . The original hose placement is still used and the air/oil separator is between crankcase and rocker cover. I hope that was clear. Thanks , Tony
 
Britfan60 said:
Got my bike back from the dealer. Cases sealed up, upgraded valve covers, factory tranny vent (bought the nice one from Richard7, dealer didn't install it because Norton sent their version) new rings and honed cylinder head, new cables and a few other things. Took it out for 75 mile thrashing. Bone dry. Ran great!
So....maybe it's finally worthy of a photo. My first attempt with photobucket, so please bare with me. Edited post. The photo didn't work. More research to be done.

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Hello Britfan , The real proof will be at sustained high RPM .. Have you done some runs that keep the revs above 5500 ? This is the real test. Are you running the plastic catch bottle now as well ?
 
TonyA, The venting system is internal on the rocker covers. The old ones were full of carbon, hence the changing of rings and honing the cylinders. Also, the crankcase vent to the airbox has an accumulator in the line that will probably send the oil back down before reaching the airbox, which is a problem I never really had. The most oil I've seen in the box was about a tea spoon and the filter always looked new upon inspection. I still haven't figured out how to post photos, even with the tutorial (I'm running a mac and the format looks different) and have the VIP membership now. I'll need some time to figure that out. Today is boat day. The weather is fabulous here in NY.
 
Hello Britfan , Just post a picture of your bike , focusing on the engine and the new plumbing. I will do the same when mine is done , we will figure it out. Thanks
 
What a hassle. Can't lower the pic quality on my camera enough for this site. Had to download, send to Facebook, email it to me, back to iphoto on my pc. Well, here is Nortons answer to preventing oil in the airbox. Kind of cheap and ugly, but it is what it is. That and new rocker covers, which look the same, so why bother?
 

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That is an odd looking thing.
I hope it works better than it looks. :lol:
I need to get one for my 961, and the new blanked off valve cover too.

Hope all is well the 961.
 
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What a hassle. Can't lower the pic quality on my camera enough for this site. Had to download, send to Facebook, email it to me, back to iphoto on my pc. Well, here is Nortons answer to preventing oil in the airbox. Kind of cheap and ugly, but it is what it is. That and new rocker covers, which look the same, so why bother?
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Hello Britfan , I appreciate the photos , but I was asking if that oil/air separator still feeds the r/h spigot of the rocker cover ? I think the answer is YES . We all have seen the little black box , but how its plumbed in not.
The very original fix had the oil /air separator going from the crankcase to the air box directly. I have seen the modified rocker cover at MCC and there is an additional mod inside the rocker cover on the L/H side where the breather exits to go to the air box. The mod involves blocking a major portion of the pathway that the oil is taking to escape the rocker cover . Also , Norton has addressed the wet sumping in this kit as well. There is more there than meets the eye ! I remember speaking to Richard-7's dad on this topic. At high RPM , oil wants to come out of that motor ! There is oil coming up from the crankcase (this must be stopped first) oil /air separator between crankcase and rocker box . Then it needs to be stopped coming out to the air box from the rocker cover (mod in rocker cover L/H side) . I will be so bold as to say , IF this mod fixes the problem for me , then it is fixed for everyone ! When mine is done I will do photos and a write up . Thanks , Tony
 
TonyA said:
Britfan60 said:
What a hassle. Can't lower the pic quality on my camera enough for this site. Had to download, send to Facebook, email it to me, back to iphoto on my pc. Well, here is Nortons answer to preventing oil in the airbox. Kind of cheap and ugly, but it is what it is. That and new rocker covers, which look the same, so why bother?
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Hello Britfan , I appreciate the photos , but I was asking if that oil/air separator still feeds the r/h spigot of the rocker cover ? I think the answer is YES . We all have seen the little black box , but how its plumbed in not.
The very original fix had the oil /air separator going from the crankcase to the air box directly. I have seen the modified rocker cover at MCC and there is an additional mod inside the rocker cover on the L/H side where the breather exits to go to the air box. The mod involves blocking a major portion of the pathway that the oil is taking to escape the rocker cover . Also , Norton has addressed the wet sumping in this kit as well. There is more there than meets the eye ! I remember speaking to Richard-7's dad on this topic. At high RPM , oil wants to come out of that motor ! There is oil coming up from the crankcase (this must be stopped first) oil /air separator between crankcase and rocker box . Then it needs to be stopped coming out to the air box from the rocker cover (mod in rocker cover L/H side) . I will be so bold as to say , IF this mod fixes the problem for me , then it is fixed for everyone ! When mine is done I will do photos and a write up . Thanks , Tony
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Hi All.

Apologies for the time involved in getting this info out, I still intended to post a more in depth feed once we have final confirmation on the supporting documents. For now these few points should clear a few things up.

The Air / Oil separator connects between the crankcase and air box.
The rocker cover banjos are no longer required and are capped off.
There is an addition of a 30ml clear drain bottle (tucked behind the left foot control plate) to collect any water / oil that enters the air box (this will happen on all bikes / cars to some degree, you will notice other bikes with similar devices).
This bottle is indented to be monitored and emptied when required and should be mentioned in the service manual (this change is yet to be made). Approx every 3000 miles.
In addition to the Air / Oil separator we have introduced two valves into the oil system to stop the engine from 'wet sumping' when the engine is off, other wise on start up the air / oil separator could be overwhelmed and oil deposited directly into the air box.

Once I have more information about the availability of 'retro fit' kits with prices etc I will post again.
 
Hello Simon , Why are Norton sending a new rocker cover with this kit if all that is done is blanking off ? The rocker cover I saw still had the banjos on it and the mod on the L/H side breather banjo. Are you sure about this for all kits including U.S. ? Will the blank off be good looking ? If it takes 3000 miles to get significant residue in the bottle (at all rpm's) , I am ok with that. Tony
 
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Hello Simon , Why are Norton sending a new rocker cover with this kit if all that is done is blanking off ? The rocker cover I saw still had the banjos on it and the mod on the L/H side breather banjo. Are you sure about this for all kits including U.S. ? Will the blank off be good looking ? If it takes 3000 miles to get significant residue in the bottle (at all rpm's) , I am ok with that. Tony
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The 'mod' as you call it internal on the left hand rocker cover banjo has always been there for as long as the banjos have been fitted to the rocker covers.
 
OK , Then why are you sending rocker covers ? Why not use what is already on the bike ? Will this fix be applied to all future New 961 models ? Also can you get me a part number for the 961 seat that has the NORTON logo sewn in and can I order one for my bike ? Thanks Tony
 
TonyA. There is nothing on the rocker cover and it is nice looking. No holes, no caps, no lines. The ugly oil collector/separator is just hose clamped to a fitting from the crankcase, separator, hose to the air box. There is no collector bottle on my bike, so that is an upgrade that has not been made. I still wish they had installed and not lost the tranny vent I purchased from Richard. I envision another blown starter gasket in the future. They said they will look for it so if they find it, I'll install it.
 
Hello Britfan , Then there is no trans vent installed at all ? You should get that done asap . Even if you have to open it to air. I would have let them hear about if they lost my trans vent kit. The rocker cover I saw at MCC had both L/H and R/H banjos still on it. That's the part that got me off the trail .. Your saying that your rocker cover has no banjos and NO plugged holes where they used to be ? Then they sent me the wrong rocker cover ? any chance you can send a photo of your new installed rocker cover ? Thanks again , Tony
 
So I'm out on a leisurely cruise, did about 65 miles so far, did not exceed 5000 RPM and the bike is leaking oil like a whore with syphilis. I'm thinking or hoping it's just the starter gasket again. not the crankcase that was just sealed up. It's hard to tell right now. Well, at least I though I was sorted out. My first 100 miles was bone dry.
 
Here are the pics of the rocker covers for TonyA and the photos of my nice little oil puddle that arrived during my second ride since I picked the bike up. At this point, hard to tell if its the starter gasket or the crankcase again. I'm guessing and hoping its the starter gasket.
 

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