single carby amal

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has anyone tried the single amal premier carb set up coming out of the US
FAIR SPARES NEW ENGLAND
if so what is your thoughts
i would like to give it a go on my mk111 850 which is in a featherbed bolt up 52 frame
i have 2 worn out mk1 concentrics at the moment
thanks jason
 
I have a single mk2 34 Amal. Happy with it. I'd say I ride swiftly, often with friends on modern bikes and it has never been wanting for performance. I do a couple thousand miles a year on mine. I cleaned the carb nearly 3 years ago and not touched it since.

Burden/ Amal have a website which has their carbs and spares available direct. RGM were the original source for my 2 into 1 manifold, rubber connector and air filter.
 
I did try the RGM single carb manifold briefly on my 750 Commando, the result was very smooth and tractable but lacking in topend power , the single 32mm Amal MK1 works very well on Triumph TR6/TR7s - is there any reason it shouldn't work just as well on a 750 Commando ?
 
has anyone tried the single amal premier carb set up coming out of the US
FAIR SPARES NEW ENGLAND
if so what is your thoughts
i would like to give it a go on my mk111 850 which is in a featherbed bolt up 52 frame
i have 2 worn out mk1 concentrics at the moment
thanks jason
Maybe just buy a manifold and run one of your knackered carbs
It's much easier to get a worn carb working well on single carb setup
I did this 45years ago with a Norton atlas manifold with a cut and re angled inlet
And one of the worn MK1 s on my 850
I fitted it with a pancake air filter that I indented to clear the frame gusset
 
I owned a 70's something Commando 750 in the early 80's that had a single Amal on it. I'm not sure if it came from the factory that way or was put on there by a previous owner. Might have been an Amal monoblock. It was a long time ago and my memory is a little fuzzy. Never took pics of that bike, which I regret now of course. The bike was good for cruising the HWY, and easy to start. My P11 was noticeably quicker with twin 930's on it. So much so that I sold the Commando in less than 6 months. However, the P11 is a lot lighter weight, so maybe not a fair comparison.

baz has a good point about it being easier to make a worn single work.

Anywho, I had a similar experience to what Satan said.

To accurately answer your question, No I've never used the kit with an Amal Premier you are referring to. The Amal Premier was not in production at the time.
 
A single carb on a twin cylinder motor is probably subject to more vacuum, so the needle shape might need to be different. The taper on the needle compensates for vacuum conditions. Slightest bit too rich can adversely affect performance. Also the exhaust system configuration might have more effect.
 
A single carb on a twin cylinder motor is probably subject to more vacuum, so the needle shape might need to be different. The taper on the needle compensates for vacuum conditions. Slightest bit too rich can adversely affect performance. Also the exhaust system configuration might have more effect.
And the slide might stick open.
 
A single carb on a twin cylinder motor is probably subject to more vacuum, so the needle shape might need to be different. The taper on the needle compensates for vacuum conditions. Slightest bit too rich can adversely affect performance. Also the exhaust system configuration might have more effect.
And in the real world they work just fine
 
has anyone tried the single amal premier carb set up coming out of the US
FAIR SPARES NEW ENGLAND
if so what is your thoughts
i would like to give it a go on my mk111 850 which is in a featherbed bolt up 52 frame
i have 2 worn out mk1 concentrics at the moment
thanks jason

I've just fitted a new 32mm Premier carb to an 850 Mk 3 using a Steadfast manifold and single entry slim RGM airbox. It's not up and running yet but when I've done a few miles I'll report back.
 
If other motorcyclists are like myself, they do not bother to tune their beyond the point at which it runs OK. Differences between single and dual carbs might depend on how well they are tuned. A single carb is easier to get right. You only have one needle jet to fiddle with, and because it feeds two cylinders, the errors might be less.
 
If other motorcyclists are like myself, they do not bother to tune their beyond the point at which it runs OK. Differences between single and dual carbs might depend on how well they are tuned. A single carb is easier to get right. You only have one needle jet to fiddle with, and because it feeds two cylinders, the errors might be less.
Somebody once told me in production racing a single carb 650 triumph could be quicker around a really twisty circuit than a twin carb
If true maybe the single carb bike is pulling in a better mixture at lower revs and pulling harder
Or it's getting onto a bigger carb opening/slide position quicker???
 
I like it. I'm running a single premiere for one season now and no plans to go back to two carbs. Smooth start, smooth idle, smooth launch. I don't ride at the top end so no concern to me if it tapers off at high speeds.
 

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This thread brings up an issue I've long thought about but have no definitive answer to: Since only one cylinder it on intake at a time, it seems that the total amount of air drawn in would be the same regardless of one carb or two; neglecting, of course, the ram effect of intake and exhaust resonant tuning. How important is that in street conditions? And is that the determining factor in performance?
 
Somebody once told me in production racing a single carb 650 triumph could be quicker around a really twisty circuit than a twin carb
If true maybe the single carb bike is pulling in a better mixture at lower revs and pulling harder
Or it's getting onto a bigger carb opening/slide position quicker???
If you are tuning a bike for racing, the needle and needle jet are of critical importance. A single carb is easier to get right. I have had Triumph 650s with both single and twin carbs. It was back when I did not know what was important, and my bikes all performed much the same as each other. These days I race using methanol and half a thou difference in needle jet internal diameter ,is the difference between fast and slow. When using petrol that would be a quarter of a thou. To tune and fit that requirement would be much easier with a single carb. If I was doing it, I would make the needle jet and use a reamer and a flow meter to progressively increase the internal diameter, until the bike really has get up and go.
The shape of the needle affects the rate at which you can open the throttle. I use the leanest needles and feed the throttle on in a controlled fashion. The bike accelerates much faster that way. Normally the needles are probably designed for average riders who are heavy-handed. When you are above 1/3rd throttle with a normal needle, the mixture is usually a bit too rich to get the best power. But if you use lean needles, and you whack the throttle open, you might get a gasp. On a race bike,we don't often do that- smooth riding is more important.
Some guys are slow in corners and wait until the bike is upright and pointed before giving it the berries. For me, the next straight begins as soon as I enter the preceding corner, With a Commando, you need to come out of the corners much faster, because it hasn't got enough power to win a drag race.
When I was young I used to race my Triton in Allpowers, against four cylinder bikes and two strokes - they all take different lines in corners - mostly out wide. The Seeley frame is a major advantage, but Featherbeds are OK when the motor is well forward.
 
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"These days I race using methanol and half a thou difference in needle jet internal diameter ,is the difference between fast and slow."
Care to tell us what decade that fell into there Al?
Down memory lane....Your Huffing that tank again, right?
 
This thread brings up an issue I've long thought about but have no definitive answer to: Since only one cylinder it on intake at a time, it seems that the total amount of air drawn in would be the same regardless of one carb or two; neglecting, of course, the ram effect of intake and exhaust resonant tuning. How important is that in street conditions? And is that the determining factor in performance?
It is the manifold that is the bottleneck to flow when fitting a single carb on a Norton.
 
I fitted a single Mikuni to my 850 courtesy of CNW and for normal pottering around I can’t fault it. Does it stifle performance? Yes undoubtedly, but is that really an issue for a 50 year old bike that is taken out for a ride so infrequently? For me it passes muster as it is so easy and reliable.
 
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