Simplify and add lightness.

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Please pardon me.

To say "capitalism failed" in ANY modern context is a damnable lie because true capitalism does not exist anywhere, except perhaps in Hong Kong.

There are entrepreneurial "true" capitalists, and then there are political "false" capitalists.

The former innovate and compete and build better mouse traps - simple and light.
The latter pay politicians so they can get licenses or regulations or mandates that ensure profits - complicated and heavy - crony capitalists - monopolists or oligopolists.
 

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xbacksideslider said:
There are entrepreneurial "true" capitalists... (who) innovate and compete and build better mouse traps - simple and light.
In other words, "true" Capitalism does INDEED exist in places besides Hong Kong.

You are pardoned for believing otherwise, but only on the condition that you conform to the facts in the future...
 

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grandpaul said:
xbacksideslider said:
There are entrepreneurial "true" capitalists... (who) innovate and compete and build better mouse traps - simple and light.
In other words, "true" Capitalism does INDEED exist in places besides Hong Kong.

You are pardoned for believing otherwise, but only on the condition that you conform to the facts in the future...
OK, condition accepted.

If only the media, and the public in general, called out the cronies, the pols and their pals . . . . .
And, the cronies are not only in business, the infestation is worse in academia and the "non-profit" public interest groups. Politicians vote for grants and subsidies and research funding of all sorts that corrupt outcomes.
 
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Carbonfibre said:
Andover Norton is in the business of making money, and supplying spare parts for older bikes I would imagine is relatively lucrative? What this has to do with the demise of the former British motorcycle industry though I cant quite grasp?
Perhaps it demonstrates that the british motorcycle industry hasn't entirely demised ?

P.S Name one motorcycle manufacturer that hasn't been restructured, rescued, reconstituted, reinvented or reincarnated. ??
 
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"The details of the evolution of the company name from American to Pope are unknown".

"the American Cycle Manufacturing Company, which was the predecessor of the Pope Manufacturing Company"...
 
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Murray B said:
Norton might have been able to build some sort of Manx Twin but it would have been very expensive to make. Cost is very important for a street bike which needs to be priced similar to competing designs. Bert Hopwood’s compact pushrod “hemi” was simple, light, and affordable, with the weight down low. It was a fine choice for one of the greatest road bikes ever made and deserves to be remembered that way.
P.S. While we are sticking with this doctrine of truth in advertising here, it is worth pointing out that Bert Hopwoods 1949 Model 7 Norton 500cc twin wasn't a "hemi" - as Chrysler would later patent that word as - but rather a shallower angled version, with a flatter combustion chamber. The shape towards future combustion chamber shapes, in fact, not that Nortons did it first or anything revolutionary like that...

Cheers.
 
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Getting back to simplifying and adding lightness -



A replica of a Francis Beart Manx. He knew about simplicity and how to add lightness.
 
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Rohan said:
Carbonfibre said:
Andover Norton is in the business of making money, and supplying spare parts for older bikes I would imagine is relatively lucrative? What this has to do with the demise of the former British motorcycle industry though I cant quite grasp?
Perhaps it demonstrates that the british motorcycle industry hasn't entirely demised ?

I don't think the industry ever completely died. The remains of the suppliers and some of the ex-employees have been doing well (and doing us all a great service) for years. The UK is still one of the best places on the planet to find old bike parts, and if you can't find it you will probably find an old bloke with a shed who can make it for you. You will almost never find this in the rest of Europe.

I see the UK government has decided to try and push manufacturing and engineering and certainly I've never seen so much "propaganda" on "look how great we are at building stuff" on the BBC in the past. I'll wait and see if it makes any difference, although I'm skeptical, as previously mentioned in this thread government involvement is rarely a good thing.

Webby

PS: Just for the record, I don't own a Commando so I guess that makes me stupid.
However if someone out there is willing to donate one to improve my intelligence I'll gladly accept it :mrgreen:
 
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Rohan said:
Carbonfibre said:
Andover Norton is in the business of making money, and supplying spare parts for older bikes I would imagine is relatively lucrative? What this has to do with the demise of the former British motorcycle industry though I cant quite grasp?
Perhaps it demonstrates that the british motorcycle industry hasn't entirely demised ?

P.S Name one motorcycle manufacturer that hasn't been restructured, rescued, reconstituted, reinvented or reincarnated. ??

The Brit industry does still exist to some extent (discounting Thai Trumphs, and new Norton), in that there are a good number of highly skilled chassis manufacturers still in business, as well as those manufacturing things like brand new road and race MV's as well as Manx Nortons.

We still have some brilliant engineers here in the UK, and in terms of top flight chassis even Honda has used a British designed and made frame on its MotoGP bikes in the past.
 
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Jim Redman reportedly took a manx to japan some years ago, to teach them about the finer points of frame design and steering - you can still see echos of this in the steering head areas of many bikes of later eras, although frame design has totally moved on since then....
 
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Murray B said:
What you appear to have overlooked is that dave M is a long-standing member of the forum-therefore most of us will already know about dave M's Commandos.
Several years ago my wife and I were planning a trip to Vegas so we read some reviews about the hotel we were planning to visit. One fellow posted in his review that he had stayed there 16 times and he hated it every time. It was a rather strange thing to read but we booked the hotel and had a good experience anyway.

Before I retired I was a network administrator and have seen many little dweebs trolling sites pretending to be grown-ups. Because they have data at their fingertips a 17 year old can convince most people that they bought a new “Goat” back in ’64. Photographs mean little, claims even less, and about the only way to detect a young dweeb troll is by carefully reviewing their posts for generational differences.

Besides that, aren’t you interested in learning how many Commandos on this forum have hydraulic valve lifters? Mine doesn’t but it also don’t vibrate, leak, or shake itself apart. Maybe it was just exceptionally well made or something.

It is true that I am a newcomer but you have many trolls here and some of them are even stealth trolls that damn the bike with faint praise. Don’t forget this is a forum dedicated to the Commando and as a dedicated Commando owner I cannot let the lies pass without comment. Is “jackhammer” an accurate way to describe the Commando which may well be the smoothest sport bike ever made? [If it’s vibrating then the Isolastics are probably too tight and need to be loosened before the frame breaks.]

Sorry for being so stubborn but all the lying needs to stop no matter how long it has been going on. The site is almost useless if the information cannot be relied upon.
 
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You have obviously never been to a bike pub night where the discussion turns to bikes ?!
You'll get every view of the spectrum and then some, even from normally mild owners.
I would say the views here on this forum about represent this spectrum, since anonymity permits this...

Your jingoistic and patronising views are about equally at the troll end of the spectrum, it could be commented ?
 
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Murray B said:
Several years ago my wife and I were planning a trip to Vegas so we read some reviews about the hotel we were planning to visit. One fellow posted in his review that he had stayed there 16 times and he hated it every time. It was a rather strange thing to read but we booked the hotel and had a good experience anyway.

Before I retired I was a network administrator and have seen many little dweebs trolling sites pretending to be grown-ups. Because they have data at their fingertips a 17 year old can convince most people that they bought a new “Goat” back in ’64. Photographs mean little, claims even less, and about the only way to detect a young dweeb troll is by carefully reviewing their posts for generational differences.

Besides that, aren’t you interested in learning how many Commandos on this forum have hydraulic valve lifters? Mine doesn’t but it also don’t vibrate, leak, or shake itself apart. Maybe it was just exceptionally well made or something.

It is true that I am a newcomer but you have many trolls here and some of them are even stealth trolls that damn the bike with faint praise. Don’t forget this is a forum dedicated to the Commando and as a dedicated Commando owner I cannot let the lies pass without comment. Is “jackhammer” an accurate way to describe the Commando which may well be the smoothest sport bike ever made? [If it’s vibrating then the Isolastics are probably too tight and need to be loosened before the frame breaks.]

Sorry for being so stubborn but all the lying needs to stop no matter how long it has been going on. The site is almost useless if the information cannot be relied upon.
Posting patronising head in the sand crap, and attacking long standing forum members for no good reason, seems very much like you are living under a bridge yourself, and maybe need to get back under?
 
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My useual impecable standard of cinematography :oops: , Definately simple , definately light . :D 8)



Home Built . Frame , oil tank , engine plates , seat etc , Engine strip & check and G' box build in six weeks ,
( counting christmass) for the 81 NZ CMRR meeting .
Test ride 11 pm the night before practise . 2 am ' bed time ' , 6 am start for the races , Er meeting .
 
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Matt, would you care to enlighten us on what that is?

Graeme, TT is a peach!
 

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Rohan said:
"The details of the evolution of the company name from American to Pope are unknown".

"the American Cycle Manufacturing Company, which was the predecessor of the Pope Manufacturing Company"...
PREdecessor and SUCCESSOR are two different things, aren't they?
 
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