Simple mind, Simple question

Examples and $cope of spray on automotive wax but furniture wax would work too.
I use Kroll as both a penetrate and handy solvent clean and light lube. In some places the climate is murder so must do something or it reverts back to the Earthen state of ores and oxides.

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mooskie said:

slimslowslider said:

Here a test, it is in dutch but the pics speak for themselves, I guess
onbehandeld = untreated
roomboter = cream butter

http://www.motorstophelder.nl/anti-corrosie/index.htm

Personally, I dissolve vaseline in something like terpentine, and apply that with a brush to anything that may rust on my winter bike, beemer R80. Works great. Side effect: is good for the environment, the bike cleans the air as it picks up all the dirt it meets.

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Just enough terpintine to create a heavy mixture such as syrup?

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Yes. Takes some stirring though, give it some time. Appearance of Tectyl is better, but it seems to be a bear to remove.

Simple answer:

Keep the garage door closed. If it is cold in the garage and you open the door on any day that it is warmer then everything will get wet.

If you can keep yourself from opening the garage on warmer than average days then most of the condensation will not happen. In the spring the garage with it's closed door will slowly warm up and once it does then you will be able to open the door without this problem.

Put some good lights in so you can see what you are doing with the door closed, you can buy a fluorescent fixture for the price of a can of Aerokroil penetrant.

Anyone try these?

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OK, hardly an expert but I have an unheated garage. Maybe ventilation is the issue more than heat? I went from 6-degress F and snow to 40 and rain this week with no condensation in my "garage". But it breathes a lot. It is on piling with a planked floor. Sucks when you drop a drill bit, but the ventilation is good. But here are some other tricks to think about. Buy some two or three inch aluminum vent tubing (stove pipe) and wire a light bulb socket in the center of a four foot length. Put in a 25 watt bulb. If you buy two 2-foot lengths, you basically put the socket in the end of one, then push them together so that it is left in the middle of the length.
The heat will cause air to rise in the pipe. Now, find something to throw over the bike, like and old blanket. Cut a hole in it and stand up the pipe through the hole so that the bulb is below the cover. The rising air will circulate the air to help keep it dry and the bulb will keep the temp up a bit. Be wary of course of fire hazard but the bulb doesn't get so hot that you should be able to lay your hand on the stove pipe without any problem. The light bulb chimney has been used on boats here in Southeast Alaska for a long time to prevent moisture in closed cabins. The old trollers did this a lot. Now days people instead spend a lot of money on dehumidifiers. Such is the way of technology.

Russ

mooskie said:

slimslowslider said:

Here a test, it is in dutch but the pics speak for themselves, I guess
onbehandeld = untreated
roomboter = cream butter

http://www.motorstophelder.nl/anti-corrosie/index.htm

Personally, I dissolve vaseline in something like terpentine, and apply that with a brush to anything that may rust on my winter bike, beemer R80. Works great. Side effect: is good for the environment, the bike cleans the air as it picks up all the dirt it meets.

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Just enough terpintine to create a heavy mixture such as syrup?

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SO, today I whipped up a batch of vasoline and kerosene. When it looked exactly like a load was shot by some dude into the tub I brushed it on. Actually quite happy in how it spread. Groundhog saw his shadow yesterday so it looks like six more weeks of old man winter.

rvich said:

OK, hardly an expert but I have an unheated garage. Maybe ventilation is the issue more than heat? I went from 6-degress F and snow to 40 and rain this week with no condensation in my "garage". But it breathes a lot. It is on piling with a planked floor. Sucks when you drop a drill bit, but the ventilation is good. But here are some other tricks to think about. Buy some two or three inch aluminum vent tubing (stove pipe) and wire a light bulb socket in the center of a four foot length. Put in a 25 watt bulb. If you buy two 2-foot lengths, you basically put the socket in the end of one, then push them together so that it is left in the middle of the length.
The heat will cause air to rise in the pipe. Now, find something to throw over the bike, like and old blanket. Cut a hole in it and stand up the pipe through the hole so that the bulb is below the cover. The rising air will circulate the air to help keep it dry and the bulb will keep the temp up a bit. Be wary of course of fire hazard but the bulb doesn't get so hot that you should be able to lay your hand on the stove pipe without any problem. The light bulb chimney has been used on boats here in Southeast Alaska for a long time to prevent moisture in closed cabins. The old trollers did this a lot. Now days people instead spend a lot of money on dehumidifiers. Such is the way of technology.

Russ

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I am trying to visualize this. If you stand up the pipe through the hole the rising heat will just be taken away from the bike? Please explain more, as this is in-trigueing, and only a 25w bulb will work! ?

My garage isn't heated, but attached to the house. It was 59F this morning - should I worry? :wink:

UGH after seeing how fast the decay of my Trixie Combat in an open to air shed I moved her into our unheated garage, for safe keeping and very pleased to say no condensation issues at all, just cold thick oil to kick though to start. If no mice or rats then throw a thick blanket over to protect from dust and bug droppings and cob web if left a while. If hairy devil vermin about then bad juju to make em feel hidden as they chew seat and wires and wee wee corrosives everywhere.

btw Trixie is merely a pet not allowed inside. My wife and I have come to terms of my mistress in living room with her jungle of plants. I ain't taken no chances loosing ground on Peel, so every now and then stick a toe out to rub a smudge off by cotton sock. I do have to be a bit careful of her thorns though.

Along same lines is parts storage. If its worth saving i have to put inside oiled rags or something to isolate from container surfaces which in my case mush be real old fashioned tins, candy size to 5 gal pop corn with rims greased to both seal and prevent rust lock. A head or crank stuff can live in heavy plastic container like say hi dollar cat litter comes in. Helps to allow all your favorite gals what pleases them. Animals and insects can get through about anything else here. I've had birds make nests directly above bike hanging under the rafters. Had to tack beer cans so they couldn't find a perch. Avoid white Li grease but for temporary mild help. I've photo's of over night orange-pink streaks on tops of red rust blisters showing though the thick white layer on the threads of crank ends and cog edges and journal finishes.

My down and dirty long term temporary storage: 6x8 carpet, 8x12 trap, bag of self lite charcoal and a bag of plain. Roll bike on tarp onto a scrap bike size carpet under center stand, lay open bags under bike, drape carpet fuzz size down over bike, flip the ends of trap over each other then the sides and tape closed. I figure the stink of the lighter fluid evaporating will put off vermin and kill any that get in and maybe vapor condense out faster than moisture on cold surfaces, what moisture remains with the all that dry carbon surface area. Drain fluids plug carbs and exhausts. Of course a big ole vacuum bag would be the cat's meow.

If you put a low watt protected incandesant bulb under a rug covered bike it stays pretty dry and ready to start too for the risk of fire and wattage.

you can use this in the future..

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beng said:

Simple answer:

Keep the garage door closed. If it is cold in the garage and you open the door on any day that it is warmer then everything will get wet.

If you can keep yourself from opening the garage on warmer than average days then most of the condensation will not happen. In the spring the garage with it's closed door will slowly warm up and once it does then you will be able to open the door without this problem.

Put some good lights in so you can see what you are doing with the door closed, you can buy a fluorescent fixture for the price of a can of Aerokroil penetrant.

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This. Many engines are ruined from condensation. The 2-strokes especially, thin oil film on roller bearings, easily stained with rust. Keep the temp swings to a minimum. A http://www.goldenroddehumidifiers.com/introduction.htm tucked close to the engine can give localized relief http://www.goldenroddehumidifiers.com/b ... arages.htm (or on old school incandescant 100W drop light!) from sweating.

mooskie said:

rvich said:

OK, hardly an expert but I have an unheated garage. Maybe ventilation is the issue more than heat? I went from 6-degress F and snow to 40 and rain this week with no condensation in my "garage". But it breathes a lot. It is on piling with a planked floor. Sucks when you drop a drill bit, but the ventilation is good. But here are some other tricks to think about. Buy some two or three inch aluminum vent tubing (stove pipe) and wire a light bulb socket in the center of a four foot length. Put in a 25 watt bulb. If you buy two 2-foot lengths, you basically put the socket in the end of one, then push them together so that it is left in the middle of the length.
The heat will cause air to rise in the pipe. Now, find something to throw over the bike, like and old blanket. Cut a hole in it and stand up the pipe through the hole so that the bulb is below the cover. The rising air will circulate the air to help keep it dry and the bulb will keep the temp up a bit. Be wary of course of fire hazard but the bulb doesn't get so hot that you should be able to lay your hand on the stove pipe without any problem. The light bulb chimney has been used on boats here in Southeast Alaska for a long time to prevent moisture in closed cabins. The old trollers did this a lot. Now days people instead spend a lot of money on dehumidifiers. Such is the way of technology.

Russ

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I am trying to visualize this. If you stand up the pipe through the hole the rising heat will just be taken away from the bike? Please explain more, as this is in-trigueing, and only a 25w bulb will work! ?

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The warm air carries moisture. It is more for ventilation and drying the air than it is for heat. You can put any size bulb you want into the pipe, just make sure it doesn't get so hot that it creates a fire hazard. An old wool blanket works well for the cover because you can get wool really hot, beware of synthetics. Even an old cotton sheet works great for this application.

Might pay to line out the shed with Gib Board / plasterboard . maybe the more waterproof Bathroom rated stuff .
Could be least expensive option if its straight & square . Construction ply is a go to , with tar paper or silver paper behind .