Sign of the times: KTM swirling the bowl

Deets55 said:
Damn, would hate to see those guys fold up!:confused:
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I think like most everything else, when the economy implodes, the discretionary spending segment shrivels up to a trickle, but survives.
The entire powersports industry is in freefall.
Triumph, Duc (and I assume Katoom) have enjoyed double digit annual growth.
Time to sober up.
 
Tornado said:
Too lazy to read the link but is the recent "cheese" cams issue at play here?

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Well, they are cheesy enough that my recently retired buddy chose Suzuki VStrom 800RE instead of the Duke 790. He liked the idea of 105hp, but....
Built turbine engines 45 years, no interest in Playskool quality engines. 👋🏻


BUT, the Orange Kool-Aid must be addictive. My Daughter wouldn't consider riding anything else.
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There might be much more at play in businesses than many people realise, when private equity investment corporations get involved.
 
Tornado said:
Too lazy to read the link but is the recent "cheese" cams issue at play here?

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To clarify, "cheese" implying metallurgy.

The problem is, these "90-day wonder" engineers don't respect the laws of physics.

VW did it with the PD TDI's....
Made the lobes too narrow
 
That is some ugly stuff. Lots and lots of 'em suffer like that, from what I'm reading all over...

Bikes that no longer look like bikes don't much appeal to me, no matter the HP...
 
Motorcycle Data says: 2024 Sales in England:
Looking at top manufacturer’s performance, Honda confirms the leadership, although with sales slightly declining (-2.8%). In second place, Triumph has reduced the gap from the leader, gaining 27.4%. In third place, Yamaha lost 3.8% while, in fourth, place BMW gained 0.9%.

Behind there ared Kawasaki (+21.1%), KTM (-14.0%), Royal Enfield (-+4.1%) and Lexmoto (+48.4%).

US sales are 1% better than 2023 sales. Top US sellers are Honda, Harley (who has stopped the free fall) and Kawasaki.

Note that the only one of the top brands that is doing badly is KTM.
 
concours said:
Tell us more.
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Aren't you British ? Watch Mick Lynch's videos. He mentions private equity quite often, and their effect.
Nobody ever mentions private equity investment corporations - they run on debt and strip profits while doing tax evasion.
 
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I have watched a few of the superduke videos - they make the right noises and seem to be fast. When a new motorcycle arrives, if it is a good design it can be worth developing for racing, regardless of its problems. Megacycle will probably produce replacement cams with better metallurgy. In one of the videos I watched, the bike appeared to be understeering, but that is easily fixed. It was running wide when gassed.
It does not matter what bike you get - the first time you race it, you will have problems. If you are inexperienced, you learn by fixing them, and the next time it is easier.
 
acotrel said:
I have watched a few of the superduke videos - they make the right noises and seem to be fast. When a new motorcycle arrives, if it is a good design it can be worth developing for racing, regardless of its problems. Megacycle will probably produce replacement cams with better metallurgy. In one of the videos I watched, the bike appeared to be understeering, but that is easily fixed. It was running wide when gassed.
It does not matter what bike you get - the first time you race it, you will have problems. If you are inexperienced, you learn by fixing them, and the
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Perhaps if the ran them on methanol with skinny tires...

acotrel said:
Aren't you British ? Watch Mick Lynch's videos. He mentions private equity quite often, and their effect.
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Maybe there is a youtube video on geography you could watch?
 
acotrel said:
... the bike appeared to be understeering, but that is easily fixed. It was running wide when gassed.
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I noticed you mention this quite often. Very often. Like, all the time.

The fact is, the best way to build speed and momentum exiting turns is not to try to pull the bike tight, but let it find nominal traction at maximum speed.

Simple physics. You want that speed and momentum back as quickly as possible.
 

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